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[crane2]

10/24/04

I'm not sure if this belongs in this category or not.  I am new to the Philipino martial arts.  I attended one of Hock's seminars and Guro Jeff Allen taught us some Silat.  I really enjoyed it and wanted to learn some more...I  saw a video on Silat by Joseph Simonet and Addy Hernandez advertised recently.  From a practical stand point...I'm wondering if it's any good.  Has anyone seen it???

[Joe Hubbard]

Don’t waste your time with this video.  Too many Silat videos are confusing and seriously convoluted.  Wait for Marc Halleck’s Panantukan-Silat Combatives videos, soon to be released by Hock & Co.  If you take a browse over to the H2H Forum there is more info.

Cheers

Joe

P.S.  Hopefully the Prof will get his stuff on tape (or should I say disc) soon!

[jkdman]

the new stuff presented by sifu halleck...is awesome..i am one of his students at his school...we do this as part of the curriculum....this is great stuff...once you see and do this...you will then...see that this stuff works...

[crane2]

    10/25/04

Joe and jkdman,
Thanks for the advice on the Silat video.  Much appreciated.

[Chris]

Simonets video is actually pretty good if you plan on doing silat Simonets way, which is basically you are the opponent you are occupying my space and I'm going to take it back. What it does lack is blade application, althou he does do a little stick app. which is pretty cool and if you are silat player will be able to see the application. However it is not exactly the Serak I learned but seemed closer to Tjimande to me. IMO it is way over priced by Paladin but worth it if you can find it at a reasonable price somewhere else, good quality production and the techniques are given conceptually so if you do a little homework you can get far more out of it than just what you see on the tape. However, since this is Hock's forum I am more interested in what he and his group are putting forth and am looking forward to hearing some reviews on them. The people i train with and around have nothing but great things to say about him.

[Rawhide]

Hey Ya'll,

As Joe stated wait for Marc Halleck's dvds they are gonna blow your socks off.  November 10th, Hock had Marc out to my school in Texas to shoot his first 2 levels of Silat Combatives.  Simple & Effective.  Great stuff!  Check it out.

[Hock]

I was exposed to Silat starting in 1987. Guro Dan Inosanto did some in a seminar and I was pretty much hooked. What I learned later is Guro Dan did only his favorite cool stuff for an hour that day and that actually studying in a whole Silat system was a sad experience for me and many others.
    I started out with a famous Silat family of brothers, all at war with each other. Years later the fueds continue. I really like each one as a person and each are very talented, but they are just not for me. I hate to be told I can only punch at one angle or similar blather. I want all the bullets in my gun.
    Through the years I found the Silat systems to be way too robotic in some cases, or too fancy/artsy in other cases or just too confining. Next problem? Wierdness. Yikes!
    This is why I am so excited about Mark Halleck's Panantukan Silat and his stepping up to open the training methodologies to our Congress. First off, I know Marc for ten years now. Not one scent of wierdness. Steady and solid. His choice of using the Filipino/Indonesian "Boxing" as entries is great. Imagine doing all the great boxing drills but with palm strikes, forearms and elbows also! To me, if you must box? This is a higher level of duking it out. Panantukan is the entry system and the silat covers the takedowns. The lineage is impeccable, straight on line from Guro Dan himself-Marc is a FULL instructor under Dan and that is an amazing accomplishment, moreso these days than in the past I think. Panantukan Silat if Marc's blend and it has the blessing of Dan-the-Man himself.
    We fully expect Levels 1 and 2 to be ready by December 5th. They are being edited now. Marc will be traveling some with me (he is quite busy running a very successful school north of Chicago) and will be at the major camps.

Hock

[nightronin]

Hello,

Hock wouldnt be refering to the De Thouars brothers? Have read many a article on them. Each having their own system of silat, each skilled in what they know. With so many systems out there rough estimate of 1,000 it can be hard to break it down to the core parts of silat. Seen several vids of silat systems...some are very technical probably hard to pull off in a fight, to core simplisitic stuff.

To me is more about the core stuff when looking at any system. I love to look at different systems, yet you have to understand the show stuff from the core stuff...in my eyes anyway.

my 2 cents
John

[Joe Hubbard]

Exactly!  That’s what Hock’s programme is all about.  From what I have heard about Mark Halleck’s Panatukan-Silat Combatives, you will be exposed to all the combative gems without the “flower dance” and all the other religious bollocks that comes with most Silat programmes.

Ciao

Joe

[nightronin]

Hello,

That is what the frustrating part is...lol....all the show, flowerly stuff. I bet you put any of those guys that have spent numerous hours in silat in a violent encounter and fancy stuff wont be coming out. Lets see the core not the flash. What was the word Hock uses in his videos.....ahhh the word is "claptrap" when i see all this hand twisting/flowery movement in most of the silat/mayalsian systems.

John

[Hunter]

Hi,

Is there any news on when Mark Halleck’s Panatukan-Silat Combatives DVDs will be out?  I was a student of Maphilindo Silat long ago and really enjoyed it, so I'm really eager to see this more combative version of Silat.

Thanks,
Marx

[Kaliman33]

Hey Guys,
This is Marc Halleck My Panantukan-Silat 1 is now out though Hock,2 will be next week, Level 1 is very Panantukan for you base, level 2 and up starts into the silat heavier and heavier in every level. Panantukan is a great base and entry tool to work all the silat,
 I have to make a correction to Hocks post I am NOT a full Instructor under Guro Dan, Just an Apprentice Instructor level 2 (but an instructor non the less), i am just about an associate Instructor under Ron Balicki and an Instructor under Rick faye,
I have tried to take out all the flowery stuff, but in future levels you will get some Tiger walking and foot sectoring, and ground techniques, we need to have SOME tradional techniques, so if you ever talk to someone who is traditional you will have a solid base and they will know you are doing silat.

I think in level 6 we will do some Sambuts, they are cool hand techniques and we will do the combat applications, they are cool, Ron taught them to me, they are short and to the point and combative. We will not be dancing.
In level 9 i was considering putting some sarong techniques in, you chock and tye up people with it, very cool, you can use your shirt instead of a sarong, maybe i'll just demo a few techniques in it, unless people really want to see it.
Most of the Silat is straight from maphilindo (Lacoste, Harimau, Serak, Kari) Harimau is very cool, we will be doing a bunch of that. Hope you like it, let me know what you think

Marc Halleck
www.Silatcombatives.com

[Reactor]

Mr. Halleck:

I am looking into expanding my knowledge to silat by getting some videos. I have about 20 years of FMA training so my purpose is not to learn a new art, but really to study other "compatible" arts and walk away with stuff I can integrate into my arsenal. For this reason, I am not into dancing, djurus (sp?) or the like, and it appears your videos fit the bill.

However, I am also looking at the videos at Ron Balicki's website and I'd like your honest opinion as to how yours differs from those of Mr. Balicki, taking my objective into consideration.

Thanks,
Reactor

[Hock]

However, I am also looking at the videos at Ron Balicki's website and I'd like your honest opinion as to how yours differs from those of Mr. Balicki, taking my objective into consideration.

Actually that is a bit like asking Dean Martin if Frank Sinatra's music is better. They are pals and you are not going to get answer.

I can confidentally say that Ron Balicki has practiced and mastered just about everything that Dan Inosanto teaches. He, like Guro Dan love to study and memorize every little bit of every system. This is a phoenominal accomplishment. I think Inosanto is the Elvis Presley of martial arts (in all the good ways, I mean).

Now, that is not my cup of tea. For many people it is and for many it isn't. That is why there are horse races. But no matter what, ya gotta love and respect a damn good horse!

Marc has put together a very fascinating thing. Entering with Filipino boxing. (my favorite of all boxing styles). Finishing with good, solid silat. No dances, no juras.

No one else has done this particular jazz album. Not Ron. Not Deano. Not Frank. Not even Elvis. Just Marc Halleck. 


Hock

[Reactor]

Hock:

Thanks for the reply. Mr. Halleck does mention that Ron is his teacher so I do not expect that he will say anything that can be construed as disrespectful.

I was just curious however as to what Mr. Balicki covers in his tape that Mr. Halleck does not, and vice versa. As my interest is in combative application, Silat itself is not what I am after. In this instance, it just so happens that Silat is the source or base. Thus, if say one is more for someone interested in "Silat", as opposed to combat which just happens to come from Silat, then I would prefer the latter.

In any case, I can also appreciate how this could cause a problem and I will understand if Mr. Halleck demures from answering. Perhaps someone else who has seen one or both would post a review.

Sincerely,
Reactor