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Kids and Knife Defense Drills
« on: October 12, 2005, 10:37:55 AM »

Is it good to teach kids knife defense drills?

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Re: Kids and Knife Defense Drills
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2005, 11:04:29 AM »

Im not too keen on it. I teach knife and I teach kids. I dont mix the 2.
Too young to understand and not enough sound judgement.16 and up, Im also quite weary of 16 and 17. I prefer 18 and up. But then again you could get an adult thats not mentally stable or mature themselves. You really have to judge for yourself.
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Re: Kids and Knife Defense Drills
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2005, 04:10:12 PM »

that is an excellent question. I'd be curious to see how other forum members feel about this.
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Re: Kids and Knife Defense Drills
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2005, 04:29:34 PM »

I don't teach kids at all..period.  I tell their parents take them to Judo (which has a kids program with no joint locks or strangulation) and bring them back to me when they're eighteen.

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Re: Kids and Knife Defense Drills
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2005, 05:33:04 PM »

I think kids should be taught "martial sports" instead of "martial arts" or "combatives." So let little Jenny or Johnny learn Judo, Boxing, Kick-Boxing, Wrestling, etc. Then when they get older (say 16-17 for some, 18 or 20 for others, depends on their maturity level), the teaching of the "real stuff" can begin - and they will have an excellent foundation of solid biomechanics, conditioning, etc. to build upon.  Should I ever have children, that is what I intend to do with them... martial sports, then martial art/combatives when they come of age.

One of the advantages of teaching this stuff for fun and not for profit is not having to teach snot-nosed little brats....

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Re: Kids and Knife Defense Drills
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2005, 06:15:29 PM »

I'm teaching my son's [currently 7 and 9] slowly.  The younger one is my wild one....he won't touch a blade for a long time....I'm teaching him the staff for weapon flow.

My older son, is learning the katana for weapon flow.   He has the maturity...and calmness.

Neither will touch a knife for a LONG time.   The are learning boxing combinations, kicks, hands up, etc.

I try to teach thing with empty hands that will transition later to cold weapons....but, that's later.

What age?   I'll know when it's time.

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Re: Kids and Knife Defense Drills
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2005, 08:33:33 PM »

I think maybe we are underestimating kids and the fears they have these days, they know word "boxcutter",since 9-11 and they are terrified of the crazy quite kid bringing a knife to school in his bookbag.

When the kids I teach reach a certain point in their training, I ask their parents if they want me to involve knife defense, I explain I have to talk about the gruesome subjects involved, they always say yes, they share their childrens fear of the above and want them more prepared not less.

And the kids tell me stories of how so and so tried to stab me with a pencil, so edged weapon defense is applicacble.

I guess I would rather have them alive, then stabbed on the bus before their 18th birthday

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Re: Kids and Knife Defense Drills
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2005, 06:38:39 AM »

This is a very sensitive issue especially because of the state of “youth culture” today.  I personally will not teach kids with the exception of my daughter.  However, there are some youngsters in certain urban areas that could do with modern combatives training just to make it to school and back home everyday.  Read the book “Kung Fu High School”- it’s eye opening on this subject.

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Re: Kids and Knife Defense Drills
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2005, 07:34:46 AM »

I will definetly read the recomended book, Thank You.

The kids I am refering to though aren't even in high school yet, and not from the inner city,
small town kids who have these fears.

I shoud've mentioned I teach them in the luxury of private lessons, I probably wouldn't teach a group of children knife, unless they had been with me for a long time.

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Re: Kids and Knife Defense Drills
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2005, 10:32:44 AM »

I would be far more willing to teach unarmed vs. knife skills to children than I would be to teach them attack skills with a knife.  No problem teaching them to grab the weapon bearing limb and how to do a disarm etc.  Teach kids how to cut throats and remove tendons with knives?  No way.  Kids, in general, have poor judgement, even the good ones.
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Re: Kids and Knife Defense Drills
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2005, 06:28:11 PM »

seanross
I agree kids don't need to know how to "remove tendons" etc...However on the opposite side of what you wrote. If you are going to teach them disarms, aren't you at some point going to have to "arm" them so they understand what you are talking about, and wouldn't it follow that they need a subset of skills(12 angles for instance) to practice the disarms.

 I agree kids don't have good judgement, I typically when i teach them leave out eyejabs, and only after i have been with them a while move on to elbows, trying to stay away from anything that may hurt the playground bully permanelty. My kid students usually just need help against grabs, pushes-in other words "roughhousing" that they can't handle.

But sometimes it's about the fear of kids being kidnapped, raped or abducted, then it's done being kid vs kid,as most of us would assume when we teach children, but kids vs worst thing most of us could imagine. These fears are almost always expressed to me from the parents.

Is it my job then to teach them how to use that inkpen in his/her bookbag in the most violent way possible or not?

Or if you were asked specifically to teach a child counter-abduction skills, would you include edged weapons? ???

I know it's a fine line but looking forward to your response.

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Re: Kids and Knife Defense Drills
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2005, 11:23:40 AM »

Interesting questions and applications.  My kids are 8 & 10, and love to play swords, etc.  I recently got a three-pack of Cold Steel trainers, and the boys each wanted one.  I said sure, because they're no more dangerous than the plastic swords they already own.  In playing with them, I expect they will naturally learn some technique from imitating me.  But it's not instruction per se.  Certainly not drills. 

Another thing is that kids see a sharp difference between play fighting and real fighting; I remember once they were spouting off about what they would do if a bad man tried to kidnap them - it was all the stuff they are learning in Karate class, legitimate strikes, all right, but stuff that won't stop a real man in a real situation. I stopped them and pointed out that if a man really were to try and put them in a van or something, they should scream as loud & as long as they could while trying to gouge out his eyes and rake at his face, punching and kicking for all they're worth.  I freaked them out, because I burst their self-confident bubble (which I hated to do), and also because suddenly they could imagine what I was talking about, I made it more real, and it scared them.
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Re: Kids and Knife Defense Drills
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2005, 02:37:07 PM »

I now this sort of off the subject, but I agree with virgil. If the student, even an adult , is not ready, the reality of hardcore training will freak them out. Many leave training altogether with the feeling they don't want any part of it, especially when weapons are involved. Most people want sanitized SD that does not offend their sensibilties. And IMO these feelings are legit. Maybe it makes them more aware because they realize, in some small measure, the reality of violent confrontation. I think all childrens SD should center on awareness,avoidance running and screaming. When should lethal techniques be taught? I would say 18 years old. At this age we send young men to kill and be killed so lets not be hypocritical and say how awful it is to teach such techniques.
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Re: Kids and Knife Defense Drills
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2005, 08:05:42 AM »

As a father with a daughter, I want her to know the knife...well...before she turns 18 and goes off to college.

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Re: Kids and Knife Defense Drills
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2005, 08:47:51 AM »

As a father with a daughter, I want her to know the knife...well...before she turns 18 and goes off to college.

Scott


A very good friend of mine required that his daughter complete her black belt in kali before dating...

An interesting requirement....

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Our Country won't go on forever, if we stay soft as we are now. There won't be any AMERICA because some foreign soldiery will invade us and take our women and breed a hardier race!"  --- Chesty Puller, USMC
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