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[thaiking]

Ryan I read Eyal too has a written letter from the founder of KM, so then why is the KMAA trying to comnit there version of world domination? If Eyal is just as qualified if not more so than the head of KMAA?

Common sense, if you came out or others and said they want to make a buck, I would have more respect, but when I read and see people writing in defense for the KMAA, that there purpose is to protect the integrity of Krav Maga, I just think it is a big crock of shit!!! What are they protecting? There MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nothing more

If  it was for the integrity, you guys would not pay thousands for a 1st level cert. and outstanding liceansing fees. You guys would not be taking everyone to court!!!

 Maybe I will tademark Krav Maga, I hear Mr. Levine got his BB is a matter of a few weeks training lol SO  I will take a trip to Isreal for a few months to train and then commit my version of Krav Maga domination

Anyone interested in getting certified by me? I will only charge 10k for a cert. and 3k a month fot the use of name  plus 5 % of totla profits lol I should be rich by the end of the year!!! lol

[JimH]

Moni said that he is using Combat survival Commando Krav Maga and he said as far as he is concerned The israeli Courts found Krav Maga to be a Generic name,an Umbrella under which all israeli arts, civilian and Military/Police ,are covered,and In israel no one may own a generic name and this was proven in Israeli court.
(he also uses Edge combat,I believe that is his school name in Canada and he uses Combat Survival,maybe without the Commando krav Maga in Canada,but he has not elaborated on those aspects,just on what was posted as said by him in my above)

[Ryan]

I'm pretty sure the Israeli courts don't have jurisdiction in the US or Canada.

Plantman, I'd hoped you could do better than the french fry argument from the KM forum, but I suppose that was too much to ask.  Talk to a lawyer, and he'll explain it to you.

Thaiking, grow up man.

This is old hat, so I'll move on.

[thaiking]

Plantman argument is very valid, dont crtitisize someone statement and than not answer it. It is the same concept, trademarking the work french fry or trademarking the word Krav Maga. Thats how  ridiculous is the trademark of KMAA.

If my comment was childesh as you think, answer the question on why KMAA is going into europe Eyal territory, he too has that diploma that the head of KMAA also has.

Every court accepts something called documental proof. Weather it is proof locally, nationally or even internatinally all documental proof is accepted, not inless a judge decides not to accept it, but that is rarely done. So if an attorney provides proof of a very similar case he will present it in court and it will most likely hold ground. It has nothing to do with jurisdiction it has to do with proof nothing more. The case in Israel from what I have been reading decided Krav Maga is a generic term ( LIKE FRENCH FRIES) and could not be owned. It is that simple.

So Ryan I can assume you wont want to be certified by me in my version of KM in the near future, when I trademark it. 

[Plantman]

I'm pretty sure the Israeli courts don't have jurisdiction in the US or Canada.

Plantman, I'd hoped you could do better than the french fry argument from the KM forum, but I suppose that was too much to ask.  Talk to a lawyer, and he'll explain it to you.

Thaiking, grow up man.

This is old hat, so I'll move on.

Damn, now I actually have to think of something more generic to make a point. I hate that.

How about drugstore? Bathroom? Water? Steak? website?

I'll trademark the word website and sue the pants of anyone who uses it.

Anyone who wants to say visit my website cannot do it anymore.

I used french fries to make it simple.

I'm sure you are aligned with the LA group in some way or else you might see my reasoning.

Is the term ju-jitsu, or karate trademarked or copyrighted? Nope. Would you have me or anyone else believe that Darren Levine and Jihn Whitman are smarter than anyone else who teaches a martial art? That they thought to own a name and no one else ever did.

You can't own a generic name. Soes anyone own Gracie jujitsu. I'm sure the gracie family does as it is specific and relates to their last name and their style.

Anyone else would have to teach brazilian ju jitsu and cannot use the name gracie.

IS that a better argument.

By the way, Krav Maga means "contact combat" do you think anyone can copyright that name? Or " Hand to hand combat" don;t think so.

As for consulting a lawyer, I don't need to, I'm not trying to claim a name for my own.

BTW, did I mention that David Kahn wrote a book titled Krav Maga and no one who supposedly owns the name could stop him, or stop any other krav instructor from teaching the same? I think I did.

I'm sure he's a smart guy and is making money of his book. What are the chances he consulted a lawyer? Probably very good or he probably wouldn't have written the book if the name belonged to someone else.

Have a great evening.

[thaiking]

Hock, if I get the trademark you want to be certified by me, I think I am well qualified lol at least better than Levine, but wait he heads the CAPOS so he has experiance in his beverly hills office

[mleone]

Im going to add my 2 cents to this!

KM is a bastardized curriculum period end of story, what was once some what good.Has now become a reminder of a pink flamingo on your front lawn. While the flamingo looks good on the lawn it will never be a real Pink flamingo.

Kravv Magaa just doesnt have the credibility any more and you can take that to the bank along with my 2 cents.

So to me K.M. is the Pink Flamingo of Martial arts while it looks good it will never ever be real CQC.

[mleone]

If your getting good instruction thats all that matters.

[thaiking]

One of many  things that really turned me off to KM is if you guys go onto sherdog's forum Bas Rutten writes on there a lot and talks about his experiance with KM, and said straight out on how KM kissed his ass to advertise and be a spokes person for them. They even changed a lot of there techniques because he disagreed with some of it. How the fu%k are going to change your system based on what one MMA guy said, just to make him advertise your system. It is a joke nothing more.

If you go onto thee forum they tlk about protecting there crap!!! They can not realize that what they have is crap and would not work in a realistic situation, have you seem there gun disarms, national joke!!!!

[Ryan]

"said straight out on how KM kissed his ass to advertise and be a spokes person for them."

Source?  Of course not, just more BS conjecture on your part. 

Oh, and I'd love to hear about your vast gun disarm experience.

[thaiking]

Ryan"Genius"  go onto sherdog.com use search function, read up on what Bas has to say on his experiance with Krav Maga I sure as helll am not going to do a search for you. I gave you the web-site go on and take a look.

Hell I am still waiing on your source of TKD advertised as a miliatary system except fot that BS web-site you posted!!!

I thank god everyday that I have never experianced a gun diarm technique from KM except for what I saw on a few DVD's that my friend bought and ended up throwing away.

If you feel KM is so great, why do you have to train in Hock's system? Obviously you are lacking something from LA training or else you wold not be on this forum and doing seminars with the man.)

[Hock]

...why do you have to train in Hock's system?

ahhh...Actually?
He doesn't.
More than half the people on this forum have never met me, trained with me or bought a single training dvd or book.

Its just a cool place to hang out.

Hock

[thaiking]

 I stand corrected, I apologize

[hessian1]

thaiking,

     First, I remember the Bas comments over at Sherdog, if that was the real Bas..the internet being what it is.  On the other hand, Ryan is right about the TKD thing. I remember looking around at the developing TKD explosion, at least in the Central PA area, and all of the schools where touting their military affiliation while claiming TKD was the official style of the Korean military. Hock's probably old enough to remember this as well ( not a shot at your age Hock,just one old timer to another) Hell, thaiking just go to a phonebook for a major city near you and you'll probably still see it in some of the ads. I think Ryans just trying to get as much information from as many sources as possible ( cross training) he just seems to use KM as his "base" style/system.

   Thaiking, you seem to be an MMA fan. Nothing wrong with that, but hopefully that's just your own "base" style/system and thats why you are here....to fill some gaps in your training, just like me.

Keep safe and train hard, Mark H

[JimH]

In the late 60s into the 70s Korean Masters advertised as a Korean military art.

Many of these early instructors called what they taught Korean Karate to show that what they taught was a Korean version of a Japanese art(shotokan being the prime example)

In 1945 the Koreans were allowed to form a Military and one of the Founding members of the Military was General Choi,who had by that time created an art which combined Japanese Karate with what was called Tae Kyun,Korean foot fighting,(some of my early instructors said Tae Kyun was more street fighting than just a kicking art)

General Choi's art was the Prime art used in the Korean military,it was not the only art as many also trained in other Japanese arts like Judo ,for example.

The TKD/Korean Karate of the late 60s into the 70s was not like what is out there today.

We had no gear like today so when you trained Free Fighting you kicked,you punched, you used your hands (for more than hanging down to pull up your trousers as you see today),we trained more for street encounters than for competitions,and many times you went home bloodied.

The art you see today was not the art taught 30-40 years ago,and it was sold and hyped as the art of the Korean Military