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[Hock]

On another thread I started this conversation about martial arts fads.

I wonder what the next fad will be? Old-time karate (not kick-boxing karate)?

Nick Hughes made a great point when we were talking last week in North Carolina. He said that modern UFC/rage/cage fighting COMPLETELY ignores any elements of respect, wisdom and dignity that the old-school training offered, even if only subliminaly.

You seem to see a lot of WWF-style young, well...even punks...sometimes. Just brawling. No internal need for smarts or growth. Warrior wisdom. Just a lot of prancing like a peacock, talking smack, head busting and anyway, I thought it was great point to talk about.

Hock

[mleone]

I think its hard for younger generation to distinguish the difference between respect and ego.
Ego gets in the way of training and it also is that same element coming from the ufc that ignores tradition.

[jpmbujutsu]

Man is that true.
I constantly get new young students coming threw the door.
I want to be an NHB fighter.
I want to be able to kick ass. Blah, Blah, Blah
Here is the problem:
They have absolutely no
Respect
Heart
Desire
They want it yesterday.
I have to turn these people away.
It certainly true that respect, honer, dedication, and being humble is something that is missing in many of today's young martial artists and the so called fight clubs.
Sad.

[mleone]

One of things I have noticed over the years (Guys like Hock and Jim & Mark Hatmaker, who are humble are some of the best fighters I have seen.)

In a nutshell I have seen some humble instructors who are truly amazing fighters. They dont brag or boast they just do what they have to do.

It seems some of the best fighters are humble. The guys who arent humble are usually the insecure ones.

The trash talkers, talk trash until they get knocked down then they make excuses as to why they went down.
Its not how much you get knocked down its how much you get up.

Jim is not only a great guy but his training methodologies are very good.
Kudos to Jim he has creativity.

[kamagong]

I agree mleone, if somebody is really good, they don't have to tell you how good they are.  You will know.  Do you guys think that this "attitude" that is getting thrown around is due to how the martial arts and MMA tournaments are being marketed and promoted?  It seems like each MA now a days has to have a certain type of "aura" or "mystique" surrounding it for it to appeal to a certain cross section of the public. Often this "aura" draws the wrong type of people, or emotional immature people who need to attatch themselves to something, it seems.  Just asking a question.

[Hock]

Their mentors in the business of MMA or UFC are all about the splash and dazzle of money and advertising. They infect and affect the new fighters.

These business men are the mentors of the young fighters inside the business. The young fighters outside the business world mimic the inside fighters.

The cycle begins.

Hock

[mleone]

Take a good look at 2 fighters of the UFC.

Rich Franklin and Matt Huges.

Rich is a humble guy from an audience stand point.

Matt Huges on the other hand is a braggart and a pompous individual.

The UFC is not the end of all of be all. Some think it is!

While its a good recipe, they are lacking throat strikes groin strikes and much more!

Sport based is good but like Hock says Cheat in the begining and Cheat in the middle and cheat in the end. The interesting thing is the head of WWE wrestling is getting pissed because the ratings are going down the tubes. So what does he do?

Dana white kicks out Tito Ortiz then Tito gets recruited over to WWE. Interesting?
WWE and UFC are now duking it out! Their time slot on spike tv is being threatened.
I heard from the grape vine WWE is starting a UFC style division. Im up in CT and stamford is their head quarters and word on the street is the owner is WWE is pissed.


on another note:
Those who are the braggarts are usually very insecure and have something to prove.
Some things have improved in the UFC like ground stirking.

as for instructors
Too many guys out there preaching about their secretive information or how some one has died to bring information from the fillipines. I laugh at stuff like that.
Alot of instructors even tell their students "Dont show this to any one its secretive information" 

What a joke!

[Kentbob]

    I don't really understand completely the concept of being humble.  I admit, that I talk a lot of trash here at work, and tell people all the time that I will kick there butt.  But on the other hand, its something I never ever do in class, because 9 times out of ten, there, it isn't true.  Respect, discipline, heart, I understand.  It takes a lot of all three to train hard and advance, and it takes a lot of discipline and heart to make time to train out here in the desert.  A lot of problem I see with folks younger than myself is that they have never had to work for anything.  It all just gets handed to them, so logically, martial arts can just be handed out.  Which some are, but fortunately, all of my instructors have put me through my paces.  When you take someone who understands the value of hard work, and I use for example my cousin's boyfriend, who I met recently.  This young man is 18, involved in judo, and was playing football during the season.  He would talk about getting his clock cleaned in Judo, but just going back day after day, and noticing the improvements he was making.  The same with my brother, who no one thought was going to stay in Judo, but he did, and now he is a brown belt, which surprises even me.  Both I think understand the value of hard work, discipline, and respect.  And in the Judo club, you don't disrespect the instructors, because they will literally mop the floor with you.  But, the next big thing?...Alien martial arts.

[ghostrider]

To be humble is to respect others and never talk "trash." To do so is to see others with value and worth. Too lines have been moved back. Those boundaries are needed into today's modern American society. Virtues are what they are called. Ethics too! Traditional Martial arts have been given a bad rap because too many people are sold Black belt and told that they know how to fight, as well as, teach. It used to be a Black belt was a symbol of respect and honor. Definitely Honor in our modern society is something that is lost in most cases. To honor someone is to give them dignity. That is humility. But today the focus is on being a thug, being tough, being without regard for another. Some of the toughest and meanest people out there are those whom never display it until they are confronted, and then they know just how to dish it out. But again traditional Martial arts are something that we all need in our world again. The virtues and ethics of respect, kindness, self-control, etc to name a few. These are what the arts teach us. Without virtues then...well...you see what has been going on!