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Gun disarming
« on: November 14, 2005, 03:28:43 PM »

I put this first over in the H2H thread but I think it will be lost ina  Krave Maga fire fight over there...

Here's your gun disarm scorecard...for evaluation of that module.An instructor meeds a working knowledge of weapon quick draws to know how the gun will be presented. Then the disarms. The program is complete with "weapon recovery." How will he try to get his weapon back.  

* Weapon carry recognition skills
* Understanding criminal and soldier use and motives of pistol (or long gun)
* Times to strike
* Other vital lecture points
* Base in Unarmed Combatives
* Weapon retention tricks and gear

* You disarm from:

   Carry site on body (ambush tricks, set-ups, etc.)

   Early. mid and late-phase of his quick draw process

   Late phase involves the threat presentation of the weapon or it is firing at you.
      -right hand, arm extended
      -two hands, right hand trigger finger
      -two hands, left hand trigger finger
      -left hand, arm extended

     -right hand, arm compressed or back
     -right hand, arm compressed or back
     -two hands, right hand trigger finger, compressed
     -two hands, left hand trigger finger, compressed
     -left hand, arm compressed
     -unique or awkward shooting grips
                   ... like the gangsta' grip
                   ... or ground shooting positions
                   ... or ground fighting

* Protocols for using his weapon when you get it.

* Statistically, working against the right hand tigger finger is a 90% possibility. But 10% of your training time should go against the lefty.

Last I checked, this total body of knowledge is severely lacking in the training marketplace, most systems opting to only show a few disarm tricks.


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Re: Gun disarming
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2005, 06:19:39 AM »


when you come to Ohio in February (SEALE Academy), can you touch on the practical gun disarms?  I've seen all kinds and most were dangerously in-effecient.

"He who passively accepts evil, is as much involved in it, as he who helps to perpetuate it."


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Re: Gun disarming
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2005, 09:09:03 AM »

Canchanna (thats can do in Korean)

Often the problem is the disarm is a good one, but not for the position that the practitioner uses it.

I am all for simple disarms, it is though... that often the practitoner simply uses the wrong one....based on grip and position.

The whole disarm program is in Gun 4.

The two big problem is that the bad guy is:

a) holding an isometric tight grip, especially when you jump fopr the gun
b) he instintively retracts when the disarm begins.

The fundamentals are:
- Clear and secure the barrel (and gun)
- Beat the man
- Take the gun from the stunned (or better yet-unconscious) man

Up at the Ohio police academy also, Keith we will also do sims shootings scenarios versus presented weapons.  We clear the barrel (and of course gun) and draw and shoot the bad from a variety of reality kidnap and robbery positions. Then we RIDE THE GUN DOWN, in the process, so our capture will not slip free and we don't take the 1/3 chance of him shooting us after we shoot him.

As discussed in Gun 8 the "shot bad guy" does three things...

1) he drops the weapon on impact
2) he convulsively or intentionally shoots the weapon
3) he does nothing with his weapon and falls.

(If you see Ron B. up there-please tell him I'll be getting a flyer and outline asap. The new year is upon us rapidly)

This two-day training in Feb, 2006 is open to all law enforcement, by the way.