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[Hock]

On kicks and flicks...
On toes and shins...

I think the word flick might be bad and misleading. it tends to suggest that not enough power is delivered. (Remember the butterfly, flicking kicks of some classical martial arts?)

I worry that the when the groin is hit, the person reflexively shuts his knees and may catch the kick. I have seen this in real life and also in the "bullet man suit training." The bullet students tend to want to hit the bullet man as hard as they can and inocently kick and PLANT the shin into the groin. Leaving it up there too long. THIS is the problem- leaving it to long, not flicking...

The cop time, the guy caught the cops leg and fell, taking the cop with him.
This inspired me to create a combat scenario on this. Then I saw kicks caught in the suit-training years later.

So, flick is a bad word in this case. If you kick with your shin, just worry about getting that leg caught in his ever-so-natural natural response.

Hock

[Wardog]

Hock,
 Unfortunately. I tend to get trapped in the general world of Martial Arts psychos when I hear certain things. In my experience I have had several conversations with people who will not get on the mat because they are to deadly or their answer to a given situation is "I would just take that MF's eyes out of his head"!  You are right that not all eye techniques result in permanent damage but I believe that most people think in the permanent damage category when going for the eyes is discussed. I also believe that a lot of instructors teach simply the permananet diasabling to show  how deadly they are. RBSD is bad for this in my opinion.
 Great posts on the subject though Hock! I do end up playing Devil's advocate intentionally and often unintentionally on these subjects.

[smsybert]

Thanks, Hock, for clearing up the confusion about eye attacks. I can tell you from personal expeerience that even a light eye-flick hurts like hell, and temporarily blinds you. And when you get your vision back, you got two opponents out there. A great trick for getting a bad dude out of your face RIGHT NOW, and making it easy to escape. You don't have to rip their eyeballs out to get the desired result. Mosst of the time. Thanks again.

smsybert