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[Boar Man]

    Hey, I got the first Remy Presas DVD in today.  It is a little, off-putting, I guess is the best way to describe it.  Instead of teaching and learning concepts, like I prefer to do, he teaches more of a specific response to a given situation, is mostly what I am seeing.  Still, I think there is some useful stuff to be distilled.  It is interesting, overall.  I have a question, though, Hock.  In the DVD, Remy makes all kinds of different noises, when striking, blocking and doing other things.  Did he always do that, or was it something he only did in his modern Arnis program?


Kent

If I understand your post right I believe you are right in the manner Remy was showing his techniques, in that he was showing a given response (Abanico Corto) from a high forehand or a High backhand and then he moves into all of these extra techniques from that intial entry.  The concept was that from that entry or root techniques you can do this this or that and finish the guy with this etc. etc.  It is shown in the manner of the way he taught at his seminars.

In regards to his noises I have two thoughts on this.
1)  When he taught at the seminars and such he always did this, and it called attenetion to what he was about to do for the students and also for the asistant.

2)  Another aspect of this was that it is a form of baiting the person, in that when he was doing techniques at a certain (high) level he wouold make a sound to call attention to something.  Say he was feeding in a high butt strike, and he wanted you to block it while at the same time he has your stick wrapped with his free hand (snaked).  So you are concentrating on stick being wrapped and you don't see the butt strike coming.

[Boar Man]

my previous post was lost and now it shows up and the last post I made (which was better) I got timed out on I guess but that is lost.   

About the noises
It was a verbal clue for the asisstant so in real life you would hit the guy with the butt strike right. 

But if he was training/teaching on the concept of baiting/distracting then he would give a verbal clue to take your mind off of the snaked stick and call attention to the butt strike.  It was to get you to react to the butt strike either by looing at it or by going to defend against it.

One level of training would be to react to the defense.

Another would be to react when the person shifted their focus to the butt strike prior to their defense.

Mark

[arnold]

If any of you every get the opportunity to train with Mark, jump on it. He has everything written down, and should come out with his own book, as he has stuff from everybody. I have seen many people in the US at different seminars, and very few of them can hold a candle to Mark. And if the Professor is around, also pay close attention, and don't let his happy demeanor fool you, his knows his stuff too! Me, I'm just a hack with a stick, looking for a reason to let go of it and get my hands on an individual
Stay safe

[Joe Hubbard]

I'll second that!  When I was in Kansas City a few years back, I was able to train one-on-one with Mark.  Hock decided to watch the session and after a couple of hours of Mark bashing me, we all sat down and talked about Enernesto, Remy and the evolution of stick fighting.  It doesn't get much better than that!

Ciao

Joe

[bcorey]

I have the BB series, and I love it.  Just the entertainment value alone - of watching the Professor move.  He was amazing. 

As for the Tapi Tapi drills, I respectfully must disagree.  i do see value in them.  Tapi Tapi in its true form instills quick, flowing, reactions -and best of all - innovation.  There is not a "set" counter for a situation, there are tons of them.  After awhile you see all the different openings for attacks, counters, disarms, etc. 

Now, sparring in Modern Arnis.  Not sure about other schools, but although sparring isn't directly written in the testing requirements, it is done.  We often spar with padded sticks, sans any padding.  When you get whacked, you feel it. 

I feel Hock's curriculum is a good compliment to my Modern Arnis training, and I pass along alot of his "nuggets" of information that you can't find elsewhere.  My adult students (at my school) really appreciate Hock's curiculum.

[Kentbob]

I have the BB series, and I love it.  Just the entertainment value alone - of watching the Professor move.  He was amazing. 

As for the Tapi Tapi drills, I respectfully must disagree.  i do see value in them.  Tapi Tapi in its true form instills quick, flowing, reactions -and best of all - innovation.  There is not a "set" counter for a situation, there are tons of them.  After awhile you see all the different openings for attacks, counters, disarms, etc. 

Now, sparring in Modern Arnis.  Not sure about other schools, but although sparring isn't directly written in the testing requirements, it is done.  We often spar with padded sticks, sans any padding.  When you get whacked, you feel it. 

I feel Hock's curriculum is a good compliment to my Modern Arnis training, and I pass along alot of his "nuggets" of information that you can't find elsewhere.  My adult students (at my school) really appreciate Hock's curiculum.

  I didn't say that they didn't have value.  I think they do, and as soon as I find I training partner I plan on trying to incorporate some of the techniques into my training.  I just don't prefer the way the video I bought is laid out.  There doesn't seem to be any sort of progression, as I was assuming there would be.  Also, concepts, tactics and stratgies don't seem to be taught in a clear and concise manner, Professor Presas instead simply demonstrates everything, often times seemingly at random.  I prefer being able to see the progressions, and the concepts behind what is being taught.  Every video I have ever bought before, be it Tony Blauer, Paul Vunak, or W. Hock Hocheim have had this clear cut definition and explanation.  But, since I have the video, of course I am going to take what I can and put it to use. 

Kent

[Hock]

Also, concepts, tactics and stratgies don't seem to be taught in a clear and concise manner, Professor Presas instead simply demonstrates everything, often times seemingly at random.  I prefer being able to see the progressions, and the concepts behind what is being taught.

and you know...I feel your pain.

But when you think about it, that is not at all uncommon from many, many Filipino MA. Look at the other FMA sytems and others. So many are collections or drills plucked from "this, that or the other." Frankly everyone of them left me high, dry and hungry.

My first introduction to a serious kindergarten, elementary school, high school and college FMA progression...hand, stick, single stick, double stick, knife, and stick and knife, was with Ernesto Presas. But, since my heart was in generic  practical/tactical, even that did not satisfy me....

To become remotely comfortable, I had to do organize the PAC course. But, the PAC couse contains the important- "make the connection" series, inspired by Remy-which he felt was an essense of FMA.

But, as you may have read on this forum, the Remy DVDs were not edited by him, but edited in his absense for a quick buck with black Belt videos...I am not to sure that structure and order was the mission of the BB DVDs.

In the end? My heart belongs to another practical/tactical calling anyway...just me...
Hock

[Nick Hughes]

Hock said exactly what I was about to...one of my biggest frustrations with the FMA - especially after coming over after about 24 years of TMA Japanese style - was their total lack of structure.  One night we'd do double stick, another night, disarms, the next week, knife, after that empty hand then hey, let's do some of that double stick again...etc etc.

It's the way it is...Hock and Ray Dianaldo are about the only two guys I've seen try and arrange it in some logical order.

N

[Kentbob]

  Well, so far my experience in FMA has been very positive.  When I started in Alaska, even though I wasn't able to see the progression, my instructor moved us along in accordance with our capabilities, and how much time we had been able to put into training.  Training with Guru Halleck, both in the PAC course and in the M.A.R.S. Kali has been very organized, and Guru Halleck has had me progress very well. 


Kent