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[Bri Thai]

When doing this drill do you always lead with the right? 

[Milldog1776]

No. You must do it in a left lead as well. As a matter of fact, you should be able to switch from a right lead to a left lead in the middle of the drill. There are many ways to do it, but only a few switches are necessary to learn.

[Hock]

In the Philippines I learned it from a four-corner perspective...

High right
High left
Low Right
Low Left

 It is just that the strike you practice may not work or be smart on the low corners. And in most countries, it seems the high right gets all the exposure. There is lip service to doing the left side, and the two lower corners are virtually unknown. I have done seminars with many Filipino vets who tell me they have never seen the two low corners done.

But all the four corners can come into play with weapons, especially knives. Since about 10% of the population is left-handed, an appropriate amount of time with a left handed weapon is good.

If you are trying to get  some blocking skills developed against a torso punch the two low corners are great. Countering low knife stabs. Things like that.  I tend to emphasize the four corners in the PAC course, the stick course and knife course, way more than the unarmed course.

And of course, this is one of those drills that take a lot of criticism from outsiders.  People declare that drill is unreal, prissy and dead. (while they turn around and do their own set of dead drills they made up).

In the big picture, that drill is probably only .01% of everything we do. The inserts are fantastic and fast skill developers. It improved my speed and coordination dramatically. DRAMATICALLY!  and therefore I still like to pass it on.

Hock

[AikiCombatives]

After some work and experimentation with Hubad, I developed a drill that eventually lead to a more "alive" hubad.  The initial attack was a straight right lead to the face (from a right lead stance, however stance is immaterial, could be done with false lead or with a left lead), the second attack was an elbow to the face, the third attack was a straight right to the belly (the lower level attack).  We did not employ the wide hooking attack (deeming it nice to learn hubad only).  The attacks were conducted with increasing energy and intent.  The elbow was countered with a palm and pass.  The lower level attack is countered with a sort of side x block configuration (have seen in Wing Chun but name escapes me).  The parry for the high attack looks very much like a Wing chun bil gee used primarily as an intercept, but also as an attack to the eyes of the partner.  At first we work each attack individually, then we work multiple attacks at a slow to moderate pace.  The best part is where the attacks are completely spontaneous.  We do that, and gradually pick up speed.  Try to hit as if it was live not a drill.  I am sure this is not a new innovation, but had not seen this before.

Jack
Heidelberg

[Hock]

The straight right lead is sometimes called a "hubud," or a form of hubad, but is often called a vertical fist blast, (because the fist angle is vertical, yet the arm comes in horizontal like a regular punch) or the horizontal blast drill, any straight punch. The response of the trainee involves a two beat or three beat response, not unlike a hubad style reponse

Some folks call it two things, others lump all of them into the "hubad" category. 

As one sees in my Unarmed Combatives course, EVERY strike, hooking or straight, is run through these block, pass and drill drills via the Hubad format, or the horizontal format, and then mostly for the half-beat inserts. I believe that people should have at least one skill drill like this for every strike.

In terms of strikes, I use the block, pass and pin drills in...

Level 1) eye attack/finger strike module

Level 2) Palm strike module

Level 3) Forearm module

Level 4) Hammer fist module

Level 5) Punch/Counter-punch module

Level 6) Elbow module

Level 7) Body rams module (yes we do haf-beat body rams through the format)

level 8: Limited use of the head butt module

Each module contains:
    Lecture
    Solo command and mastery
    Partner drills
        - hitting mitts and training tools
        - skill and flow drills (the aforementioned drill and other drills)
        - combat scenarios using the tool (the..."alive" part)


All roads lead to Rome!
Hope you find the expressway!

Hock

[Bri Thai]

Thanks everyone, that was pretty informative.

I just need someone to show me how to develop the low corners!   

What a great clip that would be in the next magazine.........

[Milldog1776]

Thanks everyone, that was pretty informative.

I just need someone to show me how to develop the low corners!   

What a great clip that would be in the next magazine.........

Just have your training partner throw a low body blow. If you already know Hubad, then you will be able to figure out "block, pass, pin".

It's really just a shell. Once you learn how to move out of this drill with changes and flow into other drills and ranges...then you have a good learning tool. Hubad in and of itself is only....well...Hubad.

[Irishtacticts]

all this is cool. One other way to work it is a almost worse case senario where your in the clinch an your pinned to the wall. work the arm pass to the pak sou on his neck. so as to clear his head then slap him in the bask of the neck. Then work some neck cranks or weel then some sweeps to off banance him for the excape.

[Joe Hubbard]

Hi Brian

One way to turbo charge this is to start practicing "inserts" from every corner on each specific "shell corner or side".  That way if you know the B,B & P drill from the "high right", you can still do 4-corners of inserts just off that.  Start there!  When people jump straight into all the switches from every corner they become obsessed with "the drill".  Eventually you'll do and learn them all, but start getting some practical use right away.

Ciao

Joe

[szorn]

Don't forget to add the rolling back-fist/hammer-fist, the elbow variation, and the windmill variation to the mix! Done on both sides, of course!

Steve

[bsp98st]

BT,

Not to be a pest or worse, how does this kind of drill diff. from the sticking hands of Wing Chun or pushing hands of Tai Chi?  I do this and also TC drills. They seem to complement each other in training one attribute, no?  Just curious.

ST

[mleone]

Szorn how are ya!

[aus-man]

all these variations of drills and different drills are good practice. Working in inserts at different times is also good. Joe was right with the crawl before you walk idea. The point is to get your limbs moving and free flowing, build it up so you and a partner can start to improvise a bit.

Hubad can be done in so many variations as hock said, don't forget the leg variation as its good for ground work. Once you get the idea running, the position is immaterial.

[Bri Thai]

BT,

Not to be a pest or worse, how does this kind of drill diff. from the sticking hands of Wing Chun or pushing hands of Tai Chi?  I do this and also TC drills. They seem to complement each other in training one attribute, no?  Just curious.

ST

Hi Sam,

I know nothing of the Tai Chi drill, but do have experience of the Chi Sao.

Black Pass & Pin is way more relevant to a fight than the overly structured nature of Chi Sao.  The trainees can develop a whole host of different tools in BPP, going high, low, with the legs! and swapping directions/attacks all the time.  It gets you used to attacking limbs coming at you far more efficiently than the WC in my view.

[Milldog1776]

Hi Sam,

I know nothing of the Tai Chi drill, but do have experience of the Chi Sao.

Black Pass & Pin is way more relevant to a fight than the overly structured nature of Chi Sao.  The trainees can develop a whole host of different tools in BPP, going high, low, with the legs! and swapping directions/attacks all the time.  It gets you used to attacking limbs coming at you far more efficiently than the WC in my view.

Actually...Chi Sao is just as relevant. Not all attacks are going to be coming on a hooking or angular line. Chi Sao is a good drill for learning to deal with more "linear" attacks on the inside. Certain shoves and grabs that the common criminal does are good examples of practical application of the Chi Sao training.

Short-term...learn the shells of all these drills.
Mid-term...learn all the switches and inserts
Long-term...learn to flow from one drill to the next. (example:  Flow from Hubad to Chi Sao to any other drill without stopping...add inserts) Now you have a great drill!