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[Rawhide]

Arnold:
He's ok.  I've seen him spaz so quickly or instantly!  We used that one a last week, only had them do it a few times as some still have bruises from that one.  Definitely a classic!

[ghostrider]

The whole subject on pressure testing is not a new one. Its been going on for as long as people have been training in the martial arts. Today its the buzzword for all the "reality" fighting (another buzzword). Seems like all this came about when the traditional Martial arts got really watered down back in the 1970's for those of us who remember the karate/kungfu craze then. It was the day of the fly by night schools and contract collectors. Everything before then though was very different. If you read any of the history of the fighters of the 50s and 60s then you would read about those like Frank Smith, Tony Tonnyers, Mr. Dalke, as well as a whole host of others who were very scary.  The training was hardcore and got to be tough. If you got through that kind of pressure testing then you knew you were "harden." Those of us old enough can remember how traditional training was, a combination of hard gut wrenching and the mind pushed to the limit. Yes there was the horse stance, used for endurence, training of endurence and character, and those thousands of punches. Pushed to the limit your meddle was tested.

Sparring was never an endeavor of ease. You learned your basics and perfected then through training and sparring. It was a test of ability and toughness. Going the long way here I am saying that training is all about direction and what you are trying to accomplish. What are your goals? Pressure testing is nothing new really, if you have been training for years and I mean truly training yourself, pushing your limits, sweating and gutting it out then you have been pressure testing yourself. It is all what you put into it and what your trying to accomplish.

[tlouis]

This is really a timely thread. Reality based self defense with pressure testing is the Holy Grail of todays SD community. Now the big argument is what is the best way or kind of pressure testing. Its easy to jump on the bandwagon. I mean most of us started in in TMA and always wondered if "this stuff would work in the street". I fell for it. i did the bulletman stuff, microfights, gorundfighting, ssneario stff. etc... At this point, IMO, it is HIGHLY overated. Not wihtout some merit but hardly essential. Some of what I have learned

2 people putting on Fist suits and going at it is ridiculous. How is that realistic?

Hock is right about acting to get reality. If I am in a protective suit I had better respond to lethal strikes like I have been struck lethally!

The mind and the spirit ARE THE PRIMARY WEAPONS. everything ELSE IS ANCILLARY.Good hard, tough, training will pressure test the mind and spirit. As was stated previously, TMA the way I was taught pressure tested you every time you went to the dojo. You don't need special suits to accomplish this.

Hock sound like he has a bit of Tim Larkins Target Focus Training in him. And thats OK

 

[tlouis]

One other thought to add. One reason I was probably not overly impressed by my experience with the various pressure tesitng stuff I have done IS because of the tough training I had through TMA. I wonder what the hell some of these dojos are doing these day if these RBSD peopoles stuff is blowing them away?

[JimH]

I agree 100 percent,that what used to be done 20-30 years ago was as real as reality based stuff is today,although we trained hard against similar foghting styles.
(most tMA's covered kicking to punching range,others focused just on ground,so the inclusion of all ranges is beneficial to a point today)

I trained in Hard TMAs that trained to fight hard for the street and for a sport aspect and some included scenarios that showed what truly worked for you ,the participant.
(I was able to this training for many years and used them successfully on the streets as a teen in New York and into adult hood)

Today though due to insurance restraints many arts have watered down their teachings  to the point that what they see in RBSD does create a WOW factor,though there are some TMA's that still train the old way and realism is still intact.

Pressure testing is needed today to test what is being taught because aside from sport competiton most do nothing more as they are taught sport and reality are the same thing.

There are many who still believe they will be able to kick a knife out of an attackers hand,obviously they have never actually tried it against an intent ,non cooperative,partner.

Many believe they need to engage in an exchange when in a street encounter,this also is not wise,as the street encounter needs to be ended as fast as possible,you do not kick ,punch move out and do the same over and over.

Many who train in MMA/NHB/BJJ have an idea that all encounters need to go to the ground as fast as possible,this is also not always a wise tactic as the ground should be a last resort place to take a street encounter.

Pressure testing,Hard training,reality training what ever we call it needs to be done either directly in the TMAs or in some training outside be it RBSD or with a partner who shares the need to find what actually works and is usable and to minimize their tool box of employable options.

Just my opinion.

[Hock]

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[tlouis]

I guess I should say Tim Larkins Target Focus Training incorporates some og hocks ideas about targets and realistic violence. Hock was there long before Larkin.