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[mleone]

From: Matt Thornton

"Simply because a person is overweight and/or out-of-shape doesn't mean they are training and/or carrying for purely psychological reasons and aren't sincere in their desire to stay with their family."

If they are sincere in living longer so they can be with their family, then wouldn't taking care of their own body, the vehicle they travel in, be a priority? Wouldn't diet, safety, fitness, all be far more important? Statisticly it is a no brainer. . .so whats with the out of shape commando stuff? It's not healthy on any level.

[lakerssportsfan]

Are you a Matt Thornton accolyte Mario?

You do post a lot of his opinions here.

[mleone]

No Im not an accolyte or a helper, attendant, aide, minion, underling, lackey, henchman; follower, disciple, supporter, votary; informal sidekick, groupie, hanger-on.
How ever Im open to Matts stuff. But his personal approach towards others is less to be desired.
He is an interesting character irregaurdless. He is a rigid dichotomy in the martial arts.
I dont care how much some one knows some one. There approach to people measures and weighs their character.

[Hock]

"Simply because a person is overweight and/or out-of-shape doesn't mean they are training and/or carrying for purely psychological reasons and aren't sincere in their desire to stay with their family."

Couple of typos in that one that confuses the emessage.

"are" or "are not" training?

That would be "caring" not "carrying"?

And "staying with their family?"

Not getting the message...

Not too sure I understand that statement?

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Actually gun auther Ralph Mroz talks about the disconnect all the time. He will be with shooting guys who rage and rage about survival and what they would do in this or that situation. VERY hardcore measures. Then, they chain smoke, four cigarettes in a short break. Ralph has quite a tirade about that.

But people are not consistant and are falable human beings on the whole- hard wired with imperfections to overcome and defeat.

Hock

[Nick Hughes]

I agree with Thornton on that point and have been saying for years (probably before Matt was born) that I've always laughed at big fat survivalists who carry guns but smoke cigars and drink to excess.

Having said that how fit do you have to be to win a street fight anyway?  Done right they're usually over in 3 to 30 seconds.

2ndly, a lot of guys are of the mindset that yes, I might be out of shape and carrying a gun for defense etc because I choose to eat pizza and donuts and will take my chances that it will kill me...whereas I sure don't want some hyped up crack addict taking me out when HE wants to.  One is my choice the other is someone elses.  (speaking here as an example I don't smoke, drink or eat donuts)

3rd point...I bet if we rode with the cops in every major city in the States for 24 hours we'd find thousands of unfit fookers surviving street altercations every day...being in superb physical shape is a pre-requisite for climbing into the ring not fighting in the street.

N

[tlouis]

I aasume that " carring a gun for purely pshycological reasons" means it is to compensate for a small penis? Am I right or wrong?

[Nick Hughes]

You'd have to ask whoever made the statement exactly what he meant that could mean a hundred different things.

N

[tlouis]

I hope everyone realizes i was making a Freudian type joke about the penis remark!

[JimH]

The appearance of someone has little to do with their ability to fight,as long as they can act quickly  and drive through their attacker and emerge a few seconds later as the victor that is all the shape they need.

It would be Great to have all who train in any form of art or cambat to be in shape,but if a fat Guy or Woman asks me to teach them to fight and survive an attack,my goal is to teach them,not get them them fit,fittness is a by product of hard training,but many are not prepared to take it that far,to each his/her own.

Anyone seen the founders of Sayoc Kali?
They might not look pretty or fit Matts ideal sport fighter look ,but give one of them guys a blade or a trainer and I put my money on the FAT Boys,lol.

Anyone want to fight the likes of someone like Refrigerator Perry,a BIG overweight guy who can flip the switch to a few seconds of expplosive power?

I get Matts point,but he makes these distinctions between CQC and sport,I say be fit or fat just be the winner.

[Hock]

Look at John Belusi or Jackie Gleason. These guys could do cartwheels.
Look at NFL and college linemen. They can have huge guts and still be pretty deceptive.

When big folks learn to throw their weight around, they can be handful.

Some are oddly and strangely enough...quite athletic and agile in their own way.
We all have known people like this.

But in general, folks should try to stay healthy as they can and not let them be used as an excuse.

Hock

[gumbey]

Look at some of the firearm competitiors/instructors/writers. Looks is deceiving and they have great form in handling firearms.

[bsp98st]

"Simply because a person is overweight and/or out-of-shape doesn't mean they are training and/or carrying for purely psychological reasons and aren't sincere in their desire to stay with their family."

Couple of typos in that one that confuses the emessage.

"are" or "are not" training?

That would be "caring" not "carrying"?

And "staying with their family?"

Not getting the message...

Not too sure I understand that statement?


Hock

In the same spirit, just because you don't splel-chekc your ... righting and ed it gramatical stlye, it does not mean you are not ed-maducated ... or worse, a mor-an

Thornton's got some good ideas but why does he need to make side swipes at others???

ST

[arnold]

See the Buck Rogers helemt and beer thing

[JimH]

The reason many of these guys are taking swipes is because their followers are questioning what they are being taught.

More people would rather pay for a one/two day instruction in a RBSD than train in MMA/NHB/BJJ stuff 3 days a week or more,so those in the MMA field must circle their wagons to stop the penetration into their business,and this is done through finding things to make them seem superior.

If we look at the Martial arts mags we see the trend has shifted from TMA to MMA/UFC stuff to now they are running specials on RBSD,more and more RBSD type articles to the point that MMA/UFC people have come out with a series of specific mags for their Sport/art.

Matt and the others must make themselves out to be the superior art to get people in the door and if you want to be able to fight for 3 x 5 minute rounds then yes you had better be,and will be,in Shape.

RBSD type of styles are for the everyday man or woman who want some training without dedicating to a daily routine to make it work.
Sport is for the athlete who wants to win trophies or money and who will and are willing to spend hours a day getting into shape and learning the moves to be the victor in such sport events.

[tlouis]

I agree some of the survivalist type fellows out there make me shake my head, but that doesn't mean their lifestyle is not as legitimite as anyone elses. Like Ninor said, they choose to smoke and be overweight but they don't want someone else choosing their health status for them. I mean, lets face it, unless we are " in the life" our own deep interst in SD, MA , firearms, etc... could and probably is viewed with some raiesd eyebrows. As thd Bible says "Judge not lest ye be judged" or something like that. We can ask Wardog for confirmation.