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[Shane]

A dallas officer was found not quilty of excessive force after he pepper sprayed and used his baton on a man http://www.nbc5i.com/news/8861580/detail.html      Note that a DPS guy that witnessed the incident testified he did. I know you can't tell everything from the dash cam but it looks like he might have been a tad too quick, but thats my opinion officier didnt say suspect was threating but looked like maybe a little resistance I don't know what do ya'll think. What ya'll of handled it the same. I am kind of in the middle on this one. 

[TAC]

There are lots of cases of 'exessive force' where it's simply about the witnesses and 'victim' not understanding the reality of the street. IE: myth of the duel. It looks worse than it is.
But in this case... I'd say it's bullsh*t. You could tell the cop was p'd off from the start by his tone of voice. The suspect displayed NO threatening behaviour.

Sharif

[Professor]

DON'T RUSH TO JUDGEMENT....

Watch the time stamp...this is edited.

6:55:50 --- get out of the car.

6:57:39 --- get down.

6:58:20 -- pepper spray.

7:00:00 -- baton.



The officers has cars on both sides of him....

Trying to get him out of the car for one minute

Telling him to get down for 40 seconds

Letting the pepper spray take effect (one minute 40 seconds) will he is still up.

Finally after 4 minute and 30 seconds he uses a baton.


The total clip show on the news was ~32 seconds.


BEWARE OF THE LIBERAL NEWS....

[Bri Thai]

A section of people from all sides of the political spectrum will manipulate facts in order to potray what they want to potray.  It ain't just the liberals.

[Shane]

Prof I agree totally with you on liberal news comment. But it still looks like the guy wasnt a threat. But I guess you have to take into account that he didnt speak english either. He was told to get down and the officiers did place him on ground but it still didnt look like he was resisting to cause use of the baton it looked like the spray had him and he was going to the ground. I still dont believe the baton was warranted by what I saw on the tape and what was testified. Pepper spray okay but baton i dont know. But if this guy knew english I guess none of this would of happened in the first place sounds like  it would be a good commercial to convice illegals to learn the english. Make me want to.

[Professor]

Prof I agree totally with you on liberal news comment. But it still looks like the guy wasnt a threat. But I guess you have to take into account that he didnt speak english either. He was told to get down and the officiers did place him on ground but it still didnt look like he was resisting to cause use of the baton it looked like the spray had him and he was going to the ground. I still dont believe the baton was warranted by what I saw on the tape and what was testified. Pepper spray okay but baton i dont know. But if this guy knew english I guess none of this would of happened in the first place sounds like  it would be a good commercial to convice illegals to learn the english. Make me want to.

How long should the officer explain???   By the tape log it was 5 minutes....

Think about being in between traffic lane for 5 minutes with a person that is not complying to your orders....

Texas LEO come across people that do not speak English very often and do not have to resort to this level of compliance.   Almost all know at least enought Spanish for a person to get the idea within 5 minutes.

Something ain't right with this suspect Lucy...

[Shane]

Something aint right, thats for sure. I know you cant tell from the tape all that occured but strictly from the tape what do you get Prof. Not what could of happened or he said she said just the footage thats all I am asking. To me the footage looks a little iffy. The officer did a good job with the baton though, barely left any marks. Could they of handcuffed him without the baton? I dont know, but it looks like they could of from the tape thats all I am saying. Of course LEO did what he deemed necessary at the time, I probably would of done the same thing at that time but now that we are looking at the tape is there anything we can do different the next time a situation like this occurs. So another LEO doesnt have to waste his time in court defending his innocence.

[Professor]

Something aint right, thats for sure. I know you cant tell from the tape all that occured but strictly from the tape what do you get Prof.

Just from the tape snippets.....nothing.    I haven't seen the whole tape, but I can guess 5 minutes of non-compliance and and 1 minute and 40 seconds of continued non-compliance after pepper spray.

It's a tough spot to fight with someone......spread out on the ground is a good start.     

Do you have a doubt that after five minutes that the guy didn't know what he was suppose to do?

[Shane]

Got a point, this guy should know what to do. Can't argue with that. 

[TAC]

They could have tried a less physical approach first. One officer approaches and attempts to walk the guy over to the police vehicle using a not-so-obvious control (ie, lightly holding the upper arm) giving appearing as if they're buddies and he just wants to chat. The 2nd officer could be covering in case the guy does resist, at which point they could both jump on him or officer #2 could even draw down if he had to.

I'm not a cop but i'd say that's the way British police officers over here would have done it. They tend to use the "hey, man. It's cool, I just wana talk to you" approach. Considering that most people will only fight if they are provoked or feel cornered I'd say that method works most of the time.

But like Shane said it just didn't seem right. Two officers yelling at Mr Sanchez and then beating him down coz he didn't understand seems kinda wrong. (and I think I have some right-wing veiws!) 

Sharif.

[Shane]

I kinda agree with u Sharif and I kinda agree with the Prof. Seemed alittle much, but when it comes down to it I guess the guy should of known what to do isnt getting down on the ground like the universal approach to arrest. I dont know its a tough one. Still could of done something different I think next time both the cops and  Mr. Sanchez will act in a different way.

[Milldog1776]

It's such B.S. to use the excuse "I don't speak English"!

You've never seen a cop? They don't have cops in your country of origin? You don't know what a cop screaming and pointing to the ground means? Come on!!!!

[Shane]

Exactly Milldog but in Mexico they point to your wallet. LOL.

[TAC]

Exactly Milldog but in Mexico they point to your wallet. LOL.

oooooh!

[Adventure]

Exactly Milldog but in Mexico they point to your wallet. LOL.

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