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[Milldog1776]

Exactly Milldog but in Mexico they point to your wallet. LOL.

That's F'd up!

Hilarious, but F'd up!

[Shane]

Exactly Milldog but in Mexico they point to your wallet. LOL.

Absolutely the truth. 

[410indashade]

In good/bad old days I'd of sure laid hands on that S.O.B. at minimum, I don't play in traffic.  None of this chickenshit pepper spray.  The Prof is right.

[WTAC]

I have to chime in. First off resisting suspects ALWAYS go to the ground. The suspect was not complaint. He understood enough English to exit the vehicle, and start to comply with the officers instructions to go to the ground. He then choose not to comply. Now lets talk about “Necessary Force” The only requirement per Graham v Connor 490 U.S 386 (1989) is objectively reasonable force-that force the officer can objectively articulate was reasonable given the active resistance or attempts at evasion by the suspect and the facts known at the time by the officer. The chemical spray was ineffective. The officer then deployed his impact weapons and used it as trained. Here in the U.S the Reasonable Officers Standard –Says the officer doesn’t have to make the best decision. But the conduct of the officer only has to be reasonable based upon the circumstances known to the officer at the time. Hence the not guilty verdict. I am a police officer, D.T instructor and Use of Force instructor.

Aaron

They could have tried a less physical approach first. One officer approaches and attempts to walk the guy over to the police vehicle using a not-so-obvious control (ie, lightly holding the upper arm) giving appearing as if they're buddies and he just wants to chat. The 2nd officer could be covering in case the guy does resist, at which point they could both jump on him or officer #2 could even draw down if he had to.

I'm not a cop but i'd say that's the way British police officers over here would have done it. They tend to use the "hey, man. It's cool, I just wana talk to you" approach. Considering that most people will only fight if they are provoked or feel cornered I'd say that method works most of the time.

But like Shane said it just didn't seem right. Two officers yelling at Mr Sanchez and then beating him down coz he didn't understand seems kinda wrong. (and I think I have some right-wing veiws!) 

Sharif.

[Shane]

Still looks kinda fooked up no matter how you justify it. I guess a commander at the DPS training acadamy was wrong too, when he said he thougt it was unreasonable and excessive. And I guess the former officer is no longer a cop because he didn't do anything wrong, right. Oh well. Just another day on the crazy streets of Irving. You gotta do what you gotta do. But we all have to pay the consequences for our actions even cops who believe they havent taken it too far. In the heat of the moment its very easy to get a little carried away. I am sure at that moment the officer believed what he was doing was right and I am glad he was found not guilty. But it still looks a tiny bit fooked up. Just my two cents. 

[410indashade]

Yeah, well it's people like you who make the Kofi Annan's of this world.

[Shane]

Well , opinions are like assholes right. 
As for the Kofi Annan comment that was fooked up. I cant stand that sorry sac of shit. 
And the shit still was a tiny bit fooked up. Even when people like you try to justify it, and I bet you try to justify alot of similar occurences don't you. I aint trying to say he was way out of line or any of that shit, or that he was a danger to the community,  just saying tiny bit fooked up. Kind of like your Kofi comment. Oh well.    

[410indashade]

By the way Shane where did you get that fooked-up guote at the bottom of all your postings?  I've been meaning to ask you if you really believe that fooked-up nonsense.  And as the only officially sanctioned member of our society required to use non-negotiable force to gain compliance with the laws of our country, states or it's various localities LEOs need no justification they just need probable cause.  In fact, the guy they were beating into submission will no doubt be hauled into court to justify his actions.  I'm here just to remind all you soft hearted liberals of that.     

[Shane]

Ya the guy still dont have a job no more. Keep preaching your shit maybe alot will buy it. But not me. And for your info I aint no damn liberal.And I did not insult you personally did I.  I just saw the story and wanted to share my opinion. There is always some wanna be cowboy types spouting off. Oh well maybe you seen Lethal Weapon too many times.
I am sure Officer Miller would of done something different rather then go through the bullshit he went through again.
And like I said again it looks just a tad bit fooked up. So pull your panties out the wad. I am happy he got off, I probably would of handled the situation the same way in the heat of the moment. But what a god damn waste of time to go through all that bullshit.

P. S  Merry Christmas.   


 
 

[410indashade]

Hey I am not saying you personally are to blame for Kofi Annan or the officer in question getting fired, quitting or whatever.  But I am sure that without people of your opinions and sympathies to hold their coats for them the bureucrats and politicians would never dare to take on a man like the officer in question.  They just wouldn't do it I know because I've had similar experiences as most cops have who are out there doing the job.  Now if they're just riding around and looking pretty it's is hard to get into any real trouble.  I don't know all the answers but I do know this, cops are their own worst enemy when it comes to public relations unless he or she has political ambitions they are likely to be totally unaware of how something looks to the unitiated (i.e. civilians).  I mean you can forgive them for that can't you?   They're most likely concentrating on little items like life and death not how something will look on the 6 O'clock News.