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Re: Solid Proof
« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2006, 08:46:50 PM »

Thompson on the video is trying to show what can happen if you leave your Alive hand out there to be hit or if you sacrifice it to get a hit of your own.

But, I wonder, will the effect be diminished if you crash forward, into the knife?  In theory it seems to me like it would.  You're probably still going to get cut, nastily, and like Hock said, its all going to suck.  It seems like crashing forward might throw the timing of the slash off, and minimize it more than dodging back would.  Opinions?


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Re: Solid Proof
« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2006, 08:48:12 PM »

Kerambit...
It takes extra work, and well, unatural work to use the kerambit, such as that jerkjy wrist twist. Why bother? use a simple knife.

History records well the use of a curved blade but they are usually bigger and with a sharp edge on the curved slanted side to facilitate a slash. Lots of Archipelago folks use the kerambit, bit in a reverse grip, curved point out and yes that can do great damage.

But, from a stragtegic  perspective do I want a tool that is so limited?

But you know, I also do not want to ruin someone else's esoteric fun. If you want to do the extra work? Go ahead and have fun with it.

(I also think the balisong is a complete and utter waste of time. I was required to study it in the Philippines. Ho-hum. People infatuated with Filipino MA will make gobs of excuses to justify its use, but in the big, tactical  picture....why? Unless you just want to for fun.)

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Re: Solid Proof
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2006, 04:39:36 AM »

A kerrambit can get some one in a heap of trouble.
Its art for arts sake...
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Re: Solid Proof
« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2006, 11:43:04 AM »

The last cold steel "proof" dvd I got was carefully contrived to give the impression that knives are somehow like lightsabers.  A minor flick and body parts start dropping off.  Lots of meat.  Problem is that it was meat that had been removed from the bone and there was no skin or clothing on it and it was slashed at vertically - the direction it couldn't move.  Another demo had carrots in a leather glove attached to a wooden dowel.  Slashes started dropping carrots off.  The point was supposed to be that your fingers would drop off if they got hit with a knife.  Two problems:  1) fingers aren't carrots and 2) hands-wrists-arms aren't rigid.

It doesn't take that much to do your own experiment.   Next time you are cutting up a chicken or a turkey, do a slash and see how deep it goes.  Hang a turkey leg from a string and take a swipe at it with a tactical folder and see what it does.  Next, buy an old shirt from the thrift store and take some of the material and wrap it around the turkey leg and try slashing at it again.  I guarantee you it won't be nearly as impressive as the cold steel videos are.  I still wouldn't volunteer to let someone slash at my arm, but fingers don't drop off with a single snap cut.

If you want to test the finger in glove hypothesis, again, not hard, take some chicken wings and stuff them into the glove, tie the glove shut and hang it from a string and take swipes at it.  Again, I guarantee you not as impressive as the cold steel demos are.

The last problem I have with the cold steel demos is the careful way that Lynn Thompson prepares each knife cut.  Lots of breathing and practicing even on the video.  Knife cuts in fights are chaotic affairs, not careful execution style sword cuts.  If you really want to test the effect of knives in fights, don't over prepare your cuts - do quick snappy cuts with little or no preparation at all kinds of angles.

All this is not to denigrate the quality of cold steel products.  They are high quality knives and I own several.  What the "proof" videos show is how sharp they are under controlled circumstances such that different knives can be compared. What they don't show is the actual effect of knives in combat.

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Re: Solid Proof
« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2006, 01:09:16 PM »

Lets not forget the art of video editing?
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Re: Solid Proof
« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2006, 10:40:59 PM »

Lets not forget the art of video editing?


Also remember, Nobody else has done these things withe their knives.

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Re: Solid Proof
« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2006, 06:41:52 AM »

Cold Steel does some strange marketing things.....however:

The knives, for the most part, are well designed, tough, cut anything you need and are reasonably priced for the quality.

Send your Cold Steel knives to me.....I'll get rid of them for the group.

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Re: Solid Proof
« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2006, 08:26:30 PM »

Send your Cold Steel knives to me.....I'll get rid of them for the group.



I'll be sure to do that.  As soon as I see a paper dog chase an asbestos cat through Hell.


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Re: Solid Proof
« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2006, 07:13:08 AM »

Send your Cold Steel knives to me.....I'll get rid of them for the group.



I'll be sure to do that.  As soon as I see a paper dog chase an asbestos cat through Hell.


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Re: Solid Proof
« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2006, 09:34:32 AM »

Lets not forget the art of video editing?


Also remember, Nobody else has done these things withe their knives.

Very good point.  While I don't think the cold steel proof videos mean what Lynn Thompson says they mean, they are still the only major knife company that offers any kind of demonstration to their customers.  At the very least, it shows that the Cold Steel company is thinking of issues like lock failure and blade toughness over just the aesthetics of how the knife looks in a display case.
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