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[Vova]

Hello everyone!
A have a question about  Aikido - I just want to know everyones opinion on this subject! Have someone used pure Aikido for self defense and did it helped? So much people say that Aikido is "dead training" ,but I don`t agree with those people!

Please share your experience!

Best regards!

[Big Rob]

So much people say that Aikido is "dead training" ,but I don`t agree with those people!

Well being that you are not on an Aikido forum I would doubt that you’re going to get a response in favor or in support of Aikido. If you want to get the opinion of someone who has effectively used Aikido then you may want to start by asking in a forum that has Aikido members.

It sounds like you are looking for proof of something you already believe and if you believe it strongly enough to mention it in your very first post, Then I ask you what personal real life experience do you have with Aikido that makes you so sure it’s useful?

As for me I spent a short amount of time training Aikido and when the instructor could not handle some yelling, pushing and a jab, I went else where for training. My question is does anything you've ever seen in a fight occur in an Aikido dojo and why or why not.

Now this is just my experience with 1 instructor so take it as that. I can not judge all other Aikido style, systems and schools. Although I have over 15 Aikido videos by different instructors on different topics. and they all have the same core assumptions and principles.

On a positive note, what I did take away from Aikido is the principle of Shielding and movement during multiple attackers. But I had to do some serious rethinking in order to apply it to real life.

[Milldog1776]

Hello everyone!
A have a question about  Aikido - I just want to know everyones opinion on this subject! Have someone used pure Aikido for self defense and did it helped? So much people say that Aikido is "dead training" ,but I don`t agree with those people!

Please share your experience!

Best regards!

Against a full power, charging attack? Sure...why not?

[Kentbob]

Well, Vova, its like this.  At least, in my world, its like this.  I did Aikido for a few months with an girlfriend at the time.  I enjoyed it, very much.  Now, for its usefullness in everyday situations, its okay.  Most guys are going to be the haymaker throwing type.  Which is perfect for an Aikido-ka.  But if you ever come up against the guy who knows how to jab, cross, hook, and stick and move, you better have a plan.  As Hock has said, either in the forum or his blog, a boxer doesn't give an Aikido-ka enough energy to work with, unless maybe your Morihei Ueshiba himself.  There is nothing that says you can't practice Aikido primarily.  Just remember, you have to have a plan for when the bad guy isn't fighting how you want him to.  In addition to all that, I really like the spiritual side of Aikido, and the idea of trying not to hurt the bad guy as much as possible.  Now, if he keeps coming for more, then you dish out more.  But, the principles of blending and entering are two of the biggest things that I took away from my Aikido practice. 

In summation, I feel that Aikido is only as practical as the amount of time you put into practicing both it, AND your backup plan.  As to whether or not it works, everything works, if you apply the right amount of hammerfist strikes.


Kent

[Milldog1776]

Keep the Aikido...but get Training Mission 1 ASAP!

[JimH]

Well Vova,your question seems to be related to the benefits of Aikido  in relation to a real attack,but then you threw me off with the matt thornton reference of Aikido as being DEAD training.
Do you do aikido or SBGi/MMA?

I am a practioner of an aiki art and have done aikido specific for just over 5 years,but that was 10-12 years ago.

Aikido is  based on Daito ryu aikijujitsu.
Ueshiba the founder of Aikido first taught Dato ryu and then over time changed the combat aspect to be more reflective of his religious beliefs,it became more compliant.

If one was to find Aikido as practised by early students of Ueshiba,like tomiki aikido or Tenshin Dojo aikido ,one would find a straight out of the box usable form of aikido.

If one learned aikido from students of Ueshibas later teachings ,they would find compliance  and respect,but the techniques are there and are the same,all one need to do is find a training partner that will attack uncooperatively with intent and then find a way to use your art and make it work for you.

Any art can be made uasble for what ever the user needs,all the user has to do is take it and train it for that need.
(even tai chi can be used for combat,depends on if you want the answers given to you or you are willing to work to find the answers on how to MAKE it work)

[Crazyguywithasword]

As to whether or not it works, everything works, if you apply the right amount of hammerfist strikes.


Kent

This is indicative of a lot of peoples' attitudes towards things like fancy wrist locks or throws or whatever, which I think is really funny. If this is true, whats more important to train, landing those hammerfists or learning that throw/takedown/joint lock?

[samurai69]

Well Vova,your question seems to be related to the benefits of Aikido  in relation to a real attack,but then you threw me off with the matt thornton reference of Aikido as being DEAD training.
Do you do aikido or SBGi/MMA?

I am a practioner of an aiki art and have done aikido specific for just over 5 years,but that was 10-12 years ago.

Aikido is  based on Daito ryu aikijujitsu.
Ueshiba the founder of Aikido first taught Dato ryu and then over time changed the combat aspect to be more reflective of his religious beliefs,it became more compliant.

If one was to find Aikido as practised by early students of Ueshiba,like tomiki aikido or Tenshin Dojo aikido ,one would find a straight out of the box usable form of aikido.

If one learned aikido from students of Ueshibas later teachings ,they would find compliance  and respect,but the techniques are there and are the same,all one need to do is find a training partner that will attack uncooperatively with intent and then find a way to use your art and make it work for you.

Any art can be made uasble for what ever the user needs,all the user has to do is take it and train it for that need.
(even tai chi can be used for combat,depends on if you want the answers given to you or you are willing to work to find the answers on how to MAKE it work)

I think this pretty much sums it up

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[Vova]

Thanks everyone for their opinion!
I practise Aikido for 7 years and really enjoy this art!  But many people ,much of them from MMA/SBGi always say about Aikido as "dead training" ,I don´t understand why they say that?! So I just wanted to know other people opinion!

So thanks everyone!

Vova
Estonia,Parnu

[Professor]

Thanks everyone for their opinion!
I practise Aikido for 7 years and really enjoy this art!  But many people ,much of them from MMA/SBGi always say about Aikido as "dead training" ,I don´t understand why they say that?! So I just wanted to know other people opinion!

So thanks everyone!

Vova
Estonia,Parnu

Welcome to the nut house.   

[JimH]

Vova,
Have you just read this MMA/SBGi attitude or do you train in SBGi?

I ask as you have 7 years of skill and should know by now if YOU think it is practical.

If you do train or know someone in SBGi get one of these people to work with you and help you develop a usable Aikido form against various attacks.

Testing is the only way to see what truly works for you.

Aikido and the aiki arts are a fine motor skill activity,if one does not train these arts against non compliant,aggressive attacks one may not be able to pull the moves off,this is why when you do your randori it should be a test and not just people who fall and flip when touched or grabbed.

The thing you may find,if you study a non striking form of aikido,is that you will need to strike ,to soften,to force compliance on the part of the attacker,so a slight change in your method of getting to apply a lock or throw may/will be needed.

The Hammer fist comment posted above is probably a good strike to help gain the compliance to get a lock or throw.

As to the question posted as to what is more important to learn strikes like the Hammerfist or locks and throws?
 I would say it depends on the need.
I am an assistant instructor in Hapkido,we train an agressive style and we have Police,Security,Bouncers (as well as students with non confrontational jobs) and they need alternatives to just Gross motor skill actions like kicking and punching.

We train our Hapkido against attacks that come with intensity and we learn simultaneous attacks and flows that lead from a block/parry with a simultaneous strike to the side of the neck into a joint lock with a takedown or maybe a throw.

One who works as a bouncer is not employed to have brawls with the customers,so we provide a range of options from Gross motor skills to fine ,from all out fighting with kicks and punches to pain compliance and joint breaks and attacks.

We do not say we have the final answer in Self Defense and students are encouraged and do look at many other arts,styles and systems for tools or testing that fits them and their needs.

But if one is a newbie to fine motor skill arts (that do take much time to learn to employ under pressure),one needs an alternative method of SD like Gross motor skill punching.stiking and kicking,so techniques like the Hammer fist are taught first along with many others strikes and attack tools.
(the student needs to be able to leave after day one training with an idea that they have some usable functional tool and skill,not that they will have to wait 4-10 years down the road to be able to protect themselves)

[Vova]

I do not train in MMA/SBGi, I just know people who think that MMA is the best ,most realistic self defense ever. But they somehow do not respect other martial art styles?!!  I have been practise Aikido for 7 years,and 3 last years it is Iwama Ryu. With last 3 years I studied a lot more about Aikido ,I guess because of my Sensei.  But also I am interested in Hock`s methots and teachings!

Thanks for advises!

[RBSD Guru]

Vova,.

Have you ever used your Aikido in a real life altercation.

[Milldog1776]

This is indicative of a lot of peoples' attitudes towards things like fancy wrist locks or throws or whatever, which I think is really funny. If this is true, whats more important to train, landing those hammerfists or learning that throw/takedown/joint lock?

Thinking that the Aikido throw/takedown/joint lock won't work in a realife situation because you can't do it against your resisting training partner is even funnier.

As for what's more important to train? 80% what is most likely to happen to you. 20% what is least likely to happen to you. A cop probably needs 80% lock flows and Aikido as they are least likely to ever have a need for the Shredder/Grater/Widowfaker. Somebody else might try training in the reverse of those statistics.

[Crazyguywithasword]

So lemme get this straight....you think that its better for a cop to spend his valuable training time practicing something like Aikido or whatever that takes TONS of time to get to the point where it works on resisting people (which is why hes learning this stuff, to lessen the level of resistance so he can arrest them) rather than train a tool like the shredder (you picked it) that works immeditaley on resisting people (which again, is the whole point hes training)?