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[Adventure]

I was at work 2 nights ago when I went on a call for a stabbing victim; this call reminded me of some things that I had learned from some of my old instructors.

Where are his hands & how close is he?

We could critique this call for all the things this guy did wrong to get in this situation, but that would make this even longer.

This call was an assault on a homeless man who was with his wife in the park at night. As the victim states he was walking through the park when the attacker approached him and seemed to be arguing with the victim. While they were arguing the attacker became physically aggressive, at this time the victim noticed his left side on his back was wet and that is when he realized he had been stabbed.

The victim had a 1’’ – 1 ˝ ‘’ laceration on the left side of his back around the posterior auxiliary area and he had a baseball size hematoma right under the injury. The victim had no idea what he had been stabbed with or that he had been stabbed until seeing or feeling the blood. He did complain of pain on breathing, but on feeling around the injury sight I did not elicit any pain from him. He was breathing shallow & said it was more painful to take deep breaths. The victim stated that he had no idea if he had been stabbed or slashed and the hematoma kept growing if pressure was not kept on the injury. This victim was considered acute even though his blood pressure and heart rate were normal; because I had no idea how long the knife was or if he was stabbed or slashed, which would let you know how life threatening the injury was, so we just treat the injury for the worse it could be.

What I learned here was you needed to keep an eye on your attackers hands, because that is where most of the damage to you will come from. If someone came up to you with his fists closed and up in front of him you would immediately know that this is a possible threat to you. But if his hands where in his front pockets as he approached you may not think anything about it until it is to late; for most people out there the hands are going to be the main threat.

I have just been seeing alot of stabbings & the victim never knew the attcker had a knife until the blood was flowing they just thought they had been punched.

So I have been teaching this motto to students & wanted to run it by everyone here: "If you cannot see the hands, they have a weapon until proven other wise."


Please tell me what you think?

Adventure

[JimH]

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"So I have been teaching this motto to students & wanted to run it by everyone here: "If you cannot see the hands, they have a weapon until proven other wise."


I would agree with this 100%.

I also try to stress,if you do not se one or both hands,when the attack comes you must react as if to a surprise knife attack and not to a punch.

Until at some point the threat is clearly known ,keep responding as to a knife attack.

example;
Unseen hand is thrown so we must close the gap,grab ,wrap or pin and start ending the attack.

Better to be safe than sorry,it is still an attack,the only difference is the escalation of response.

[Trainer]

Some Instructors use the term WEALTH whichs stands for

W eapons- yours, theres, imporvised
E scape- yours, theres
A complace, shit rats that will help them out
L anguage, includes body language, etc
T errain, snow, ice, uphill, dowen hill etc
H ands, Hands kill always watch the hands

WEALTH is to be applied to all situations

[Adventure]

I like that one.

[Trainer]

Take it, use it, save someones life with it

[Hock]

"Watch the hands. Its the hands that will you"

OLD, old cop saying. Decades Old

It is a staple in Training Missions 1, 2 and 3 DVDs and books, and mentioned frequently thereafter.

That doesn't mean you can stare hypnotically at them. But keep track of them.

if you do enough sims training, you will stand before a human who draws a weapon from common carry sites. These drawing and weapon presentation movements must be burned into your muscle memory. Sims does this. Range training does not. You respond to whistles and and other gags to draw.

If a person has something behind their back...if you tell then to

"let me see your hands!"

You are asking them to present their hands to you, allowing them to get the weapon out, up and pointed at you. Actually expecting them to produce their hands for you.

If you yell, "Drop it!" They mght drop the weapon or whatever behind their back before you even see it.

Once again, something you can practice with sims and not paper targets.

You have to...well, David...you have heard it all in Gun 1 and knife 1. Watch out for the lunge and reach for nearby weapons also.

Hock

[Adventure]

"Watch the hands. Its the hands that will you"

OLD, old cop saying. Decades Old

It is a staple in Training Missions 1, 2 and 3 DVDs and books, and mentioned frequently thereafter.

That doesn't mean you can stare hypnotically at them. But keep track of them.

if you do enough sims training, you will stand before a human who draws a weapon form common carry sites. These drawing and weapon presentation movements must be burned into your muscle memory. Sims does this. Range tarining does not. You respond to whistles and and other gags to draw.

If a person has something behind their back...if you tell then to

"let me see your hands!"

You are asking them to present their hands to you, allowing them to get the weapon out, up and pointed at you.

If you yell, "Drop it!" They mght drop the weapon or whatever before you even see it.

Once again, something you can practice with sims and not paper targets.

You have to...well, David...you have heard it all in Gun 1 and knife 1. Watch out for the lunge and reach for nearby weapons also.

Hock

I know i've heared it in the seminars, but the cool things is to see it played out in real life. Confrimed with real patients I've treated. I 20 question every patient I get from an assault to learn what they did wrong so I can pass it along to my students & everybody else.

That's why I love your training it's real & it's what works right now.


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[Karl]

I totally agree.
Especially if the guy gets aggressive and start arguing with you.

[Kentbob]

"In God we trust.  All others, keep your hands where I can see 'em."  Got that from a defensive pistol class up in Anchorage.  Truer words were never spoken.


Kent

[WTAC]

I like that, never hear that one before.
Aaron

Some Instructors use the term WEALTH whichs stands for

W eapons- yours, theres, imporvised
E scape- yours, theres
A complace, shit rats that will help them out
L anguage, includes body language, etc
T errain, snow, ice, uphill, dowen hill etc
H ands, Hands kill always watch the hands

WEALTH is to be applied to all situations

[WTAC]

For LEO’s and armed security or armed citizens if they have there hands in their pockets and you want them out. * Note this may or may not be at gun point, depends on the situation. Have them turn with their back to you (hands still in their pockets) then you move to an off line position of advantage. And order them to slowly remove their hands with nothing in them one at a time from their pockets.
Aaron

[mleone]

2 Things!

1. Expect them to have a weapon

2. Expect them to have friends around.

In a world full of variables and gray areas, how can one person be so sure? They should understand these 2 things.

This is what messess up sports fighters, once a knife is presented their brain doesnt know what to do because their brain and body didnt do it in their training.