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Author Topic: Knife attack in the UK  (Read 2000 times)

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Knife attack in the UK
« on: June 10, 2006, 02:57:17 PM »

A frenzied knife attack ended the life of Daniel Pollen, 20, a student who had been waiting for a lift home after a night out with friends. Mr Pollen's parents agreed to release closed-circuit television footage to raise awareness of knife crime and its devastating impact.

Video clip
http://www.nothingtoxic.com/uploads/483782e3092a3fda53d40315321e3684.wmv

Articles
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=387857
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006240558,00.html

Shocking and very tragic.

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Re: Knife attack in the UK
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2006, 09:49:15 PM »

A frenzied knife attack ended the life of Daniel Pollen, 20, a student who had been waiting for a lift home after a night out with friends. Mr Pollen's parents agreed to release closed-circuit television footage to raise awareness of knife crime and its devastating impact.

Video clip
http://www.nothingtoxic.com/uploads/483782e3092a3fda53d40315321e3684.wmv

Articles
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=387857
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006240558,00.html

Shocking and very tragic.

/F


This is a terrible news story......it saddens me to see this kind of senseless attack on other human.


Texas has taken a very harsh stance:

 http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/executedoffenders.htm

I hope these thugs meet the same end.     


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Re: Knife attack in the UK
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2006, 01:30:53 AM »

I just watched that footage now (about 8:20 in the morning here) and I tell you what... that's messed up my whole day. We've all seen crazy footage, but that really is shocking.
It makes you ask what kind of up-bringing must these bastards of had to be like that? At what point in their lives did they stop being human?

Ok, so points learned...

 - positioning. Never have your back to an open space. Have your back to a wall or post or - even better - a corner and that way nobody can get up behind you. You can visually dominate the imediate area.

 - awareness. Interesting conversation or not, don't get so engrosed that you stop caring about what's around you. In your house? In your friend's place? Sure, chat away. In a public place where ANYBODY is alowed to be? In this scenario, it is not wise to 'switch off'.

 - more awareness. Just because that group of guys are all happy and joking doesn't mean they are nice. After watching that clip i think i'll go back to my old way of thinking... EVERYBODY is a bad guy until proven innocent. In fact I was in a situation last night with this drunk guy. Just some drunk dude talking shit with a little bit of posturing. I let him get too close too many times. I guess (I thought) he wasn't a threat and felt sorry for him so I let him touch my fenced stance TOO MANY times. Nothing happened I just walked away laughing while his mate distracted him but after watching that clip... I'll be neutralizing any f*cker who gets in my space like that.

 - more awareness... I thought those were all punches until I remembered it was posted in the knife message board. We gotta watch the hands man. Not just mid phase while being attacked, but early phase as they approach.

Right, time to go train some knife disarms.

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Re: Knife attack in the UK
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2006, 05:35:35 AM »

another big reason why I hate dirtbags and am going to NY to teach. This video should open up their eyes to some of the madness I'm going to show that night. Let's hope some of it sinks in
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Re: Knife attack in the UK
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2006, 07:43:46 AM »

Some points in case you're not aware of them...

The kid in the jersey with the numbers on it does the killing (he's only 16 so his name is protected)

The kid who backpedaled out of the scene is the one who dies, not the one who collapses on the ground.

(the one on the ground got four holes in him from the knife...the other kid only got one...confirms what I say about shot placement being critical)

The black kid steals the kids watch...that's what he's doing when he picks his arm up.

Nick
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Re: Knife attack in the UK
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2006, 10:05:47 AM »

I did wonder about the arm thing. First I thought maybe he was putting on an armbar or a deliberate wrist cut! Then I thought he was stripping his phone from his hand. Stealing the watch, however, is a much more sensible idea. My warped imagination...
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Re: Knife attack in the UK
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2006, 11:26:55 AM »

The greatest armies in the world have been ambushed.

It is hard to be SOOO alert, ALLLL the time. Its tough.

Hock
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Re: Knife attack in the UK
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2006, 03:13:19 PM »


The greatest armies in the orld have been ambushed.

It is hard to be SOOO alert, ALLLL the time. Its tough.

Hock



Yet another reason to be fighting from our knees and back, sides and belly.   It's hard to be an Army of one.
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Re: Knife attack in the UK
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2006, 08:15:40 PM »

It all goes back to learning from the mistakes of others and having hope that you are learning enough not to make any new mistakes. In a civlizated world(if you can call it that) you make the mistake of not doing anything about another human being until your totally sure that danger is going to happen. This is where the biggest mistake occurs, sometimes trusting someone then your wide open. Nothing is 100%. Just train the best way you know to do, learn, then make your peace.
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Re: Knife attack in the UK
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2006, 09:50:18 PM »

Hock,

100% alert all the time is hard...but maintaining condition yellow all the time you're out isn't.  Anyone with any street savvy would have clocked the fuckwits as they approached - of course they would have recognized they'd been clocked and gone to pick on a softer target but there's not much can be done about that.

Going out without awareness is like a Navy cruiser going out without radar.

Nick
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Re: Knife attack in the UK
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2006, 06:45:12 AM »

Hock,

100% alert all the time is hard...but maintaining condition yellow all the time you're out isn't.  Anyone with any street savvy would have clocked the fuckwits as they approached - of course they would have recognized they'd been clocked and gone to pick on a softer target but there's not much can be done about that.

Going out without awareness is like a Navy cruiser going out without radar.

Nick


I like the analogy of being an alley cat.   Nice, calm, relaxed by has the "danger radar" of a jaguar on crack.

Additionally, don't mess with the alley cat....it can and will defend itself with a fury at a moments notice and disappear at the first chance it gets.




« Last Edit: June 12, 2006, 06:47:27 AM by Professor »
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Re: Knife attack in the UK
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2006, 10:15:54 AM »

All 3 dirtbags after being caught and convicted, should have a pop flare shoved up their ass  and have about 300 ft of demolition cord wrapped around all 3 of them at the same time Set off flares and trigger cord 15 seconds later. Show video to all dirtbags in detention. Use remains of the scumbags in local victory garden as fertilizer
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Re: Knife attack in the UK
« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2006, 02:47:39 PM »

All 3 dirtbags after being caught and convicted, should have a pop flare shoved up their ass  and have about 300 ft of demolition cord wrapped around all 3 of them at the same time Set off flares and trigger cord 15 seconds later. Show video to all dirtbags in detention. Use remains of the scumbags in local victory garden as fertilizer

Arnold,

What happened to you? You're getting soft on us.  ;D
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Re: Knife attack in the UK
« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2006, 03:57:49 PM »

I think we should all hang out with Arnold for the 4th of July.
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Re: Knife attack in the UK
« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2006, 04:36:54 PM »

We used to love the 4th as kids. My dad was a NY State trooper and fireworks were illegal in NY. But not on the Indian Reservation where we have our cottage. Troopers would bring in trunk fulls of fireworks and every other type of explosive you could imagine. They used to give us these cracker balls that you could throw at concrete and they would go off. But if you took a whole box and duct taped it to a sledge hammer, now you're talking some serious fun. 1 sparkler was cool, 40 taped together on a broom handle was even better. Bundle together 50 bottle rockets,? no problem!
One year, I must have been 10 or 12, the Capt of the local State Police barracks dropped off the ultimate in rockets. This thing stood almost 5 feet tall and said" the big one" one the side. I'm sure my younger brother went into convultions as soon as he saw it.
Well the 4th rolled around and we did our best to try and blow up everything on the beach. It must have looked like Normandy with all of the crap flying through the air.
My younger brother just couldn't stand it any longer and positioned "the big one" on a piece of steel rebar into the ground at a 45 degree angle and lit it off. Now mind you, it was only 8 o'clock at night when this thing got launched. It shot out between the trees at an elevation of less than 100 feet over everyones head on the beach and out over the water. It made an abrupt turn and headed down the beach in line with numerous other cottages along the water. When the grenade in the warhead went off, the ensuing flash and bang took out 6 or 7 windows on 2 of the cottages.
Worst beating my brother ever got. My mother banned fireworks for the next 25 years.
Hence my fasination with explosives and dirtbags. I just got another brilliant idea! Tape 4 or 5 boxes of the cracker balls to the dirtbags haed and drop them off a 4 story building head first, with almost 4 stories of bungie cord. The ensuing explosion upon contact would shoot his ass back up in the air, the bungee cord would go taught, and slam his back into the concrete. So many ideas, so little det cord
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