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[amosley]

Does anyone have any opinons on Combat Krav Maga the dvd series? Could anyone give me some feedback on them or better yet if you have attended seminars or instructor certification training what's your opinion before and after the training? Thanks any replies would be appreciated.

[spanky]

Anyone know about this Krav Maga is it worth training in ? I just found a place near my home and I don't have a training partner anymore.   

[mleone]

Yawn, 

[Hock]

2010 Update. Moni a confirmed fraud on many levels
See http://www.moniaizik.info/

[410indashade]

"Humans and their constant need to reinvent the wheel!"  If aliens exist and are visting earth in ufo's I'm double dog sure I just quoted one.  Oh yeah, and whatever passes for a good laugh will be heard around the ole flying saucer tonight.  eehaw   

[mleone]

Yawnn,, 
There are many different strains of Krav, honestly I have seen alot of their dvd's and to me they are just watered down versions of other materials.
Not bad stuff better than your average TKD.

But limited in organizational structure, progression and quantity of dvds..

[Ryan]

So, you're basing your opinion on an entire system based on some DVDs you've seen of "theirs"?  What's watered down about it?  Which DVDs?  Which instructors have you trained with or at least seen/talked to/e-mailed?

[mleone]

You cant base an entire system on DVD's but you can get a clear picture of whats presented and see there is some material thats on the dvds thats also in other systems.

It has no 10 level progression. (In terms of a ten level course)
I didnt say it was a bad system, I just think alot of the materials can be found right here in Hocks dvd's. Doctrine wise Hocks materials are pretty thourough.

Like I said its better than most TKD. People can buy them and make up their own mind about them. But thats my feelings on the subject matter. Ryan are you a Krav instructor? I was just  sharing my feelings on subject matter. Im sharing my feelings because I saw the videos thought they were good but didnt see anything special about them. I saw things that I already knew. If I went to seminar I may think different.
But for now thats my 2 cents..

I felt it was a watered down version of what we do...

[Shane]

So, you're basing your opinion on an entire system based on some DVDs you've seen of "theirs"? What's watered down about it? Which DVDs? Which instructors have you trained with or at least seen/talked to/e-mailed?

Well I dont know any of that combat krav stuff but I do know of the Levine Krav as I have been involved with it for a little more than a year. It has been a huge waste of money and time in my opinion. They do have some bad ass exercise classes though. But if I wanted that I would just join a gym.

P.S. Remember this is just my take on it, so all ya'll  Krav Lovers out there please don't get your panties in a wad.

[Ryan]

"I have been involved with it for a little more than a year. It has been a huge waste of money and time in my opinion."

It took you a year to figure that out?  You're still doing it?  You're learning from Darren?  Remember, all instructors are not created equal, no matter the system or the organization.

Mario, I do teach KM.  It's not a system designed to be learned via video.  FYI--I'm also certified to teach Shamrock Submission Fighting and Bas Rutten MMA.  I've taught a seminar with Rich Dimitri, as well (and we're planning another for November.)

[JimH]

Original Krav Maga,under Imi, was wrestling and Boxing,it was introduced, as many SD applications  for Military are by being their PT.
Imi was assigned as a PT instructor then developed into a H2H instructor.

Over the years many who have become in charge of the military H2H program instituted arts they liked.
Look up the Martial Background of many of these guys and you will see Karate,Tae Kwon Do,Jujitsu,Judo,aikido,Wing Chun,on and on.

The problem is that Krav Maga was a term used in the Military,when Imi left he wanted to teach Civilians and he carried the name over,though the techniques were different.

The public then began to see a rise in what was termed Krav Maga,which was not military based,the court got involved and declared that ANY Martial Art taught to the public could be termed Krav Maga,thus we have many variations of what Krav Maga is,though all hold to it being military based few are.

Thus now we have other Israeli Military forms using Krav as a Basic course then going into what is claimed as more specialized applications such as Hisardut,Kapap,Haganah,FIGHT,Combat Survival Krav Maga on and on.

Mr Levine,who studied Imi's civilian based version of Krav Maga has now become the more or less self proclaimed owner of the term Krav maga and is in courts in various countries trying to become the sole owner of the term so many will be charged in the future for teaching Krav Maga or use the term Krav maga in their name or sales pitch if they are not affiliated with Mr Levine (even former members of the Miliatry and former Instructors of Military krav maga???)
That is what happens when a Lawyer sees a Profit potential and then sees others nibbling at his income.

Krav maga is not limited to a certain look so when searching for a school watch a class,if allowed ,and decide if it is different or similar to something you want and make an educated decision.
If it looks like TKD or Shotokan it could be just that.

The Israelis ,and others ,have found a Great way to cash in  with claiming they are battle testing everything,so they are in demand as SD instructors,BodyGuards,Security Experts on and on,and many have never been in battle,though they all trained in the miliatry,they are living off history.

Are there stories of any new form of H2H after the Israeli conflict with Hezbollah??

Will Hezbollah instructors be in demand now?

I watched the recent clips of Al Qaeda training camps for hijaking and what ever else and it looked like TKD or Hapkido,is that what is trained  by them for combat? No,that was a display,what they teach is similar to FAS WWII combatives,because they learned it from US SF,and they were given written materials on it by ali  who stole the materials from SFQC and it is shown in their,al Qaeda, written booklets.

If you know TKD or Hapkido ,you could show those clips and claim your style as the style trained in by al Qaeda,lol.

Combat Proven,is all a Sales Pitch.

If you want combat proven there is a way to get real experience,In Iraq and Afghanistan,and  they will pay you,lol.

Don't worry about what it is called,look at it check it out and make an informed decision.

[Shane]

"I have been involved with it for a little more than a year. It has been a huge waste of money and time in my opinion."

It took you a year to figure that out?  You're still doing it?  You're learning from Darren?  Remember, all instructors are not created equal, no matter the system or the organization.

Well I got involved in a contract it was a gift which I have ended up paying for. Not learning from Darren but an official training school of his. I guess if I learned from Darren that would make it so much better right? I just dont buy that.   
P.S They have about 12 instuctors at the school. Its like attack of the krav maga clones.

Mario, I do teach KM. It's not a system designed to be learned via video. FYI--I'm also certified to teach Shamrock Submission Fighting and Bas Rutten MMA. I've taught a seminar with Rich Dimitri, as well (and we're planning another for November.)

 
What KM do you teach Ryan?  Just wondering how do you get certified in Shamrock Submission Fighting and Bas Rutten MMA? 

[Ryan]

"Mr Levine,who studied Imi's civilian based version of Krav Maga has now become the more or less self proclaimed owner of the term Krav maga and is in courts in various countries trying to become the sole owner of the term so many will be charged in the future for teaching Krav Maga or use the term Krav maga in their name or sales pitch if they are not affiliated with Mr Levine (even former members of the Miliatry and former Instructors of Military krav maga???)
That is what happens when a Lawyer sees a Profit potential and then sees others nibbling at his income."

This is such drivel.  The Israelis tried to trademark it in Israel, and they couldn't make it happen, though they raise hell when Darren does it saying "No one should own the name Krav Maga."  Also, Darren's not "self proclaimed", unless you don't consider Imi the rightful founder of KM, since Imi is the one who asked Darren to control KM in the US, but you know all of this, I'm sure, you just choose to state one side.

It doesn't really matter.  If you don't like it, don't train in it.  Mario, I'll be doing another seminar with Rich in DC this November.  Come check it out.

[JimH]

Did Darren Levine not trademark krav Maga in Canada?
Did He,Darren Levine,not attempt to trademark Krav Maga in the US?
Is Darren Not attempting to Trademark Krav Maga in other countries?

How long did Darren Train with Imi?
How did he become such a key figure in Krav Maga in less than 2 months of total training with Imi?
What years did Darren Serve in the IDF?

Was Imi's endorsement given or bought?

Yes In Israel,Krav Maga cannot be trademarked as it now means, and represents ,ANY and All Martial art taught in Israel.
The Countries Mr Levine is trying to Trademark the name Krav Maga in are not in Israel.

Combat is not not self defense it is do what ever needs to be done to survive,one does not have to wait for the enemies intent in H2H,one may go offensive,so it is neither offense or defense in scope it is what needs to be done.

In combat the rules of engagement are not as defined as they are in the civilian world,combat is live to fight another day by eliminating the enemy from the battlefield today.
This is why what Imi taught to civilians was different from what was taught to the military so the hype of "True Combat proven" does not apply when we speak of civilian training.

Combat proven is the same hype all martial arts can use as they all have a claim to combat used on some battlefield at some time,thus the term Martial/Military arts.

But rather than bash Krav Maga,all I have to say is that interested parties should check out potential schools see what they offer and decide,but do so on what they,the school offers,not on what the Hype is about as to what is and is not "Combat Proven effective Real Self Defense".

[Ryan]

Did Darren Levine not trademark krav Maga in Canada?  Yep, according to the laws of that country.
Did He,Darren Levine,not attempt to trademark Krav Maga in the US? Yep, and why not?
Is Darren Not attempting to Trademark Krav Maga in other countries? Yep, same answer as above.  Others could have tried or have tried.  They don't like that Darren has been or is successful.

How long did Darren Train with Imi? Apparently long enough to satisfy Imi.
How did he become such a key figure in Krav Maga in less than 2 months of total training with Imi?  You tell me, since you seem to know so much.
What years did Darren Serve in the IDF? What's the relevance?  You contradict yourself just a few lines down when you state, "what Imi taught to civilians was different from what was taught to the military".  If that's the case, why does ask this question?  Does serving in the IDF qualify you as a good instructor or someone capable of expanding the system?

Was Imi's endorsement given or bought?  I was not there, were you?  Did you know Imi?  You must have, to impugn his character like that.

Yes In Israel,Krav Maga cannot be trademarked as it now means, and represents ,ANY and All Martial art taught in Israel.
The Countries Mr Levine is trying to Trademark the name Krav Maga in are not in Israel.

Combat is not not self defense it is do what ever needs to be done to survive,one does not have to wait for the enemies intent in H2H,one may go offensive,so it is neither offense or defense in scope it is what needs to be done.

In combat the rules of engagement are not as defined as they are in the civilian world,combat is live to fight another day by eliminating the enemy from the battlefield today.
This is why what Imi taught to civilians was different from what was taught to the military so the hype of "True Combat proven" does not apply when we speak of civilian training.

Combat proven is the same hype all martial arts can use as they all have a claim to combat used on some battlefield at some time,thus the term Martial/Military arts.

But rather than bash Krav Maga,all I have to say is that interested parties should check out potential schools see what they offer and decide,but do so on what they,the school offers,not on what the Hype is about as to what is and is not "Combat Proven effective Real Self Defense".  That's all you have to say, huh?