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Author Topic: Please let this not be true.  (Read 1655 times)


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Please let this not be true.
« on: September 03, 2006, 06:51:32 PM »

Curious if any one has been able to verify that the police officer in question did what I have emboldened within the story contained here forth. I truly hope that he did not, and will assume so (because our media has "issues" sometimes) until I am able to hear further evidence to the contrary.  My initial thoughts however are:  How asinine.  Your thoughts ladies and gentleman, please.

(CNN) -- The San Diego Chargers' Steve Foley was shot Sunday by an off-duty policeman who had followed him to his home after noticing Foley's car driving erratically, a sheriff's investigator in San Diego, California, said.

The 30-year-old, nine-year NFL veteran was shot twice; his wounds are not believed to be life-threatening, said San Diego Sheriff's Department Lt. Dennis Burges.

The shooting came less than a week after the 6-foot, 4-inch, 265-pound linebacker was cleared on charges stemming from a scuffle with police in April.

The Coronado police officer, who was driving an unmarked car and was about 20 miles outside his jurisdiction, told investigators he started following Foley's car after he saw it about 10 miles north of San Diego on Interstate 15 northbound "weaving in lanes, traveling at speeds of between 30 and 90 mph and nearly colliding with several other vehicles on the highway."

After Foley left the expressway, the officer pulled next to the ballplayer at a red light and identified himself as a police officer, Brugos said.

When the officer ordered Foley to pull his car over, the linebacker initially drove off before stopping "after a short distance," getting out of his car and walking toward the officer, Brugos said.

At that, the police officer pulled out his handgun and verbally identified himself, warning Foley to stop walking toward him, the investigator said.

"That's a BB gun," Brugos said Foley told him.

Foley then stopped his advance, returned to his car and pulled away, driving at least two more miles before stopping on Travertine Court, the upper-class street where he lives, Brugos said.

The officer said Foley again got out of his car and walked toward him, while his passenger -- Lisa Marie Gaut -- drove alongside him in the car.

"As the suspect approached, the officer again identified himself as a police officer and that his gun was real," the police statement said.

To prove it, the officer said he fired one warning shot into bushes and two shots toward the sky.

"The male suspect reached into his pants with his right hand as he approached the officer," the police statement said. "The officer then fired at the suspect. The suspect acknowledged that he had been shot, but continued toward the officer, who then fired again at him. This time the suspect fell to the ground."

Foley was taken to Sharp Memorial Hospital, where his wounds were not considered life-threatening, Brugos said.

His companion was taken into custody for questioning, police said.

"This investigation is continuing, and it is unknown at this time what charges may be filed in this matter," said Brugos.

In April, police accused Foley of being belligerent after he complained about his illegally parked car being towed in San Diego. Charges were dropped last month.

The Chargers open their season September 11 against the Oakland Raiders.



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Re: Please let this not be true.
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2006, 07:22:22 PM »

From ESPN:

The Chargers officially ended the season for starting outside linebacker Steve Foley by placing him on the non-football injury list Monday, a day after he was shot near his San Diego home by an off-duty police officer.

By going on the non-football injury list, Foley will not be able to collect his $1.65 million salary this season, which consists of a $775,000 base and an $875,000 roster bonus. Players placed on the non-football injury list usually don't collect their salary because the injury isn't related to the football field.

This was a particularly tough decision for Chargers general manager A.J. Smith, who signed Foley in 2004 in what was the start of building one of the NFL's top and most feared 3-4 defenses. Foley, who turns 31 next Monday, has 29 starts as a Charger and is considered one of the leaders on the team.

Smith issued a brief statement Monday afternoon saying, "Steve's health needs to be his number one priority. Football is secondary now. Steve needs to focus on his recovery."

Foley remained hospitalized in stable condition Monday, according to his agent, David Levine, The Associated Press reported.

The Chargers general manager has been gathering medical information for the past 24 hours to determine Foley's status for the season.

Though the injuries weren't considered life threatening, Smith had to determine Foley's ability to play this season. He decided Monday afternoon that the season was over for a Chargers linebacker who had 14 sacks over the past two seasons.

"It's a personal matter," Smith told "This is a personal matter for Steve Foley, his family and his attorney. They are handling the matter. They are the first ones who deal with us."

It has been Smith's policy on non-football matters to let the agent and attorney handle the initial work and then offer the organization assistance.

"If it is an off-the-field matter this is how we deal with it," Smith said. "This has been consistent with us. If it is an on-the-field matter in a game or a practice, then we are the front-runners."

At 3:30 a.m. Sunday morning, Foley's vehicle was ordered to pull aside by an off-duty policeman who claimed Foley was weaving through traffic at speeds up to 90 miles per hour. After a brief pursuit, Foley stopped and got out of his car, approaching the officer.

According to the police reports, the officer pulled out a gun and ordered Foley to stop. Foley then got back in his car and drove toward his home. After getting out of the car again, Foley moved toward the officer. Warning shots were fired by the off-duty officer. Two shots were fired at Foley's vehicle when a female companion reportedly revved the engine and drove toward the officer. After Foley reached into his pants with his right hand, the officer fired at Foley.

For the Chargers, the loss of Foley for the year is a major setback, but the team will have to rely on a deep corps of linebackers to get through the season without him.

"Steve is an intregal part of our defense, and of course it hurts," Smith said. "But you don't moan and grown and complain about it. This is a tough world we live in and sometimes life delivers a blow and knocks you down. So what are you going to do about it. You get up and regroup and get after it again. And that's what we will do."

The Chargers will probably give Shaun Phillips the starting job on the other side of Shawne Merriman because of Foley's season-ending injury.

"To be honest right now," Smith said, "At this moment, all I care about is Steve Foley's well-being."

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Re: Please let this not be true.
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2006, 11:23:16 AM »

He is in the Hospital here in SD & his girl-friend is in the womens prison for trying to hit the PD officer with Foley's car & being drunk.


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« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2006, 12:48:56 AM »

I hate to say it but it looks another case of a police officer being inadequately trained.  The subject was stopped in a DUI case this officer should not have had to resort to deadly force.  Anyone know what kind of firearm was involved?  If it was a semi-auto has the possibility of an AD been considered?   
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Re: Please let this not be true.
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2006, 05:31:32 PM »

I don't see anything improper about the shoot from the information provided so far.  I do see something grossly improper with the warning shots.  Since when is it proper procedure to fire into bushes or into the air?  What happened to "be sure of your target"?  Where, exactly, did those air warning shots end up?
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Re: Please let this not be true.
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2006, 08:51:08 PM »

We just had a rookie officer fired from my Dept. for firing warning shots at 2 guys stealing his car. The training covers this in the first hour of the first day of firearms training. Depatment policy is NO Warning shots for ANY reason ever.


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Re: Please let this not be true.
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2006, 03:50:29 PM »

I have followed up on what I orignally posted, and it seems as if there was bad reporting, as I also posted.  I have discovered that the officer did not shoot warning shots.   The warning shots were actually two shots at the person in question, and two at the car which was "aimed" at the officer. 


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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2006, 02:38:56 PM »

I still maintain that the officer in question was inadequately trained and/or optonally: "not ready for prime time."  There is no other explanation why a male officer in good health has to resort to deadly force against an unarmed subject in a traffic stop when the subject is out of the car.   
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Re: Please let this not be true.
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2006, 05:33:35 PM »

Officer Barney Fife is on the job.............