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[JimH]

We currently have many Muslims serving in the US Military and they serve with Pride and DO the Job well.

Then you have some Muslim fanatic sympathizers who have turned on US troops from the inside and killed fellow troops as well as translators who have lied about translations.

I believe many Muslims will serve in Uniform or in a government job and they will do it well,then there will be others who infiltrate to try to destroy from within.

During WWII Many Germans and Japanese served in the Military and the Government so it would not be unlikely in the future to have many muslims serving.

Right now approx. 3300,mostly non Muslims,Mostly Non Arab, American and Coalition troops have given their lives for the people of Iraq and Afghanistan to have a new future,with an additional 22,000 wounded.

Arab translators are still in demand in the CIA and some other Government agencies,yet with all the Arabic speakers in the US the jobs remained unfilled.
Is it because the Government will not hire them?
or
Do they not want to serve the country that provides them a home safe from war and dictators?

[410indashade]

From JimH," Which part of what I said was not correct??"  You didn't site your source for the Clinton Administartions plans to make war on Iraq.  I'm aware the "Contract With America" folks in Congress held Clinton's and Albright's feet to the fire with that get rid of Saddam resolution.  And he (Clinton) like the wienie C in C he was over reacted to it.  But it was all pumping smoke up our collective asses.  He never intended to go into Iraq, never, nyet, negative, no how.  In fact, you only had to follow the 9/11 hearings to realize they just dusted off some old pentagon contingency plans changed the dates and titles and re-circulated them among the NSC after each terrorist bombing on their watch.  Sorry, Jim but you are never going to convince me that anyone in the Clinton Administration was seriously considering going to war in any Muslim country except for Albright and her adventures in Kosovo.

While on the subject of the above post in second entry I may have started getting off the issue when I said the mistake in Rummy's strategy was due to his misunderstanding of Muslim culture.  I, in no way meant to impugn or malign Muslim culture.  Indeed, if anything it was a criticism of the American businessman's tendency to see every endeavor from the perspective of short term profits.  I think this has been evident in everything Donald Rumsfeld has tried to accomplish since taking over as SECDEF and we as a nation are the weaker for it.

Know as to what to do when Rummy leaves, if he ever does.  the first thing that "W" could do to re-establish some credibilty with the voters, the military and the rest of the world is to hold a press conference announcing that he asked for Rumsfeld's resignation and it was tendered immediately and that the reasons are many but you will all have to wait for the book to come out.  End of press conference.  Then I would find someone well known for efficient and detailed paper pushing and nominate him or her for the new SECDEF clearing the way first by letting Rummy's men know that their continued tenure at DOD depended entirely on the new guys whim.  Next I would have a meeting with the nominee and Service Secretaries,  their deputies and who it may concern.  And let them know for the remainder of my admnistration at least the SECDEF would be an Administrative post only and the he, she or it would on pain of death not go f#@%ing around in purely strategic or tactical matters.  But that's only what I would do and as such doesn't count for schise.

Now let's get into strategies for Irag and Afganistan.  Both are really all about oil.  So let's admit it!  Once we do this simple thing all or most of our problems go away.  We no longer have to worry about the hearts and minds of anyone native to either country.  We can dispense with the pretense of rebuilding either and most importantly we can use the assets thus freed-up to build fortifications in the desert with re-supply by air.  Located where you can see your enemy coming for miles in good weather and in bad we simply rely on good old landmines and listening posts for defense.  Offensively, we only have to worry about the oil fields and pipelines.  We can run both air and land patrols from secured facilities at random intervals over the open desert (not on roads) so the insurgents never know where we'll show up and where to place there I.E.D.s.  It won't be easy but it should be safer now that we have secured our living quarters, supply lines and water supply.               

[Nick Hughes]

401...sorry mate, I don't buy the oil angle

We could have bought the stuff far cheaper than what it costs to go to war...and that's true of what we would have spent had Rumsfeld's plan worked.  It's got fook all to do with oil.

Nick

[JimH]

Clinton wanted change in iraq,of that there is no doubt.

If you read the article posted you will see that he and his admiistration tried to cause Saddam to act so we could invade.

They also were tired of Butler saying he was turning nothng on WMD and continue sanctions,they wanted him gone and wanted to use WMD as a reason for going in (sounds like the same plan bush used)

Clintons advisors ran a  war game scenario and said that they would need up to 400.000 troops and that may not effect change in an orderly manner,so they turned to getting loyalists in Iraq and other Arab states to take Saddam out,the arabs did not like the Pressure and asked the US to do it so they,the Arabs could save face in the region and not be seen as going against Arab states on behalf of the US.

Clinton on the Chris Wallace show had said as much and said he did not want to leave the incoming President in a war.(he spoke of removing Saddam and the osama/Afghanistan problems)
this was what was left on the plate of George Bush when he came in and (/11 caused a call to action on both fronts as had been outlined by Clinton.

To say the US went into Iraq for OIL is a joke/

If the US went in for Oil where is it?
The US gets 15 percent of its Persian Gulf Oil from Iraq,same as when Saddam was in power,Oil has increased from 2,3-2,5 million Barrels a day for ALL persian gulf oil so how much more are we getting from Iraq.

If the US wanted Oil,why did they go into Cuba and help them discover a Huge Oil reserve between cuba and the US and then walk away allowing Cuba to take that information and get Canada and China to get contracts to start drilling?

If the US wanted Oil,why are we helping Vietnam and Libya produce manufacture and sell oil and not taking it for ourselves?

The US is even refining crude in the US and sending it back to Iraq,we pay for the Iraqis to have cheap oil,when we were paying over 3 dollars a gallon we were bring crude in ,refining it and bringing it back to Iraq and they were selling it for 39 cents a gallon.
Does that sound like US oil domination ?

Well now that the Democrates have taken the House and look to be in position to take the Senate we will see what changes are made in Iraq,and Afghanistan,lol.
Lets take a poll and see how many believe there will be a change?
LOL,nothing will change.
We are where we would be no matter if Gore got in 2000 or kerry got in in 2004 and we will be there if Hillary gets in in 2008.

If we are going to talk about Oil theory (conspiracy) as a cause to a war ,then lets bring up groups who are said to truly run Governments,LOL,LOL.

Lets look at the report from the Biderburger meeting in 2005 that has a British Economist saying that the US needs to be paying 100 dollars a barrel for oil to reduce use so there can be more Oil available for sale to China.
(Gee that happened,so the Bilderbergs must be the Real Leaders of the World,LOL)

[Bryan Lee]

Bush Says Rumsfeld Is Stepping Down

Nov 8, 1:51 PM (ET)

By DAVID ESPO and LIZ SIDOTI


 

WASHINGTON (AP) - Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld stepped down as defense secretary on Wednesday, one day after midterm elections in which opposition to the war in Iraq contributed to heavy Republican losses.

President Bush said he would nominate Robert Gates, a former CIA director, to replace Rumsfeld at the Pentagon.

Asked whether his announcement signaled a new direction in the war that has claimed the lives of more than 2,800 U.S. troops, Bush said, "Well, there's certainly going to be new leadership at the Pentagon."

Bush lavished praise on Rumsfeld, who has spent six stormy years at his post. The president disclosed he met with Gates last Sunday, two days before the elections in which Democrats swept to control of the House and possibly the Senate.

(AP) Gen. George Casey, center, points the way to U.S. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, third from...
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Last week, as he campaigned to save the Republican majority, Bush declared that Rumsfeld would remain at the Pentagon through the end of his term.

Rumsfeld, 74, was in his second tour of duty as defense chief. He first held the job a generation ago, when he was appointed by President Ford.

Whatever confidence Bush retained in Rumsfeld, the Cabinet officer's support in Congress had eroded significantly. Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., the House speaker-in-waiting, said at her first postelection news conference that Bush should replace the top civilian leadership at the Pentagon.

And Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, who had intervened in the past to shore up Rumsfeld, issued a statement saying, "Washington must now work together in a bipartisan way - Republicans and Democrats - to outline the path to success in Iraq."

The Pentagon offered no date for Rumsfeld's departure.

(AP) U.S. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld waves upon arriving at a hotel in Tallinn, Estonia, June...
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Gates, 63, has served as the president of Texas A&M University since August 2002, and as the university's interim dean of the George Bush School of Government and Public Service from 1999 to 2001.

The school is home to the presidential library of Bush's father. Gates is a close friend of the Bush family, and particularly the first President Bush.

He served as deputy national security adviser from 1989 to 1991 and then as CIA director during the first Iraq war, from 1991 until 1993.

Gates joined the CIA in 1966 and is the only agency employee to rise from an entry level job to the 7th floor director's office. He served in the intelligence community for more than a quarter century, under six presidents.

Bush has considered Gates for jobs before, including in 2005 when he was searching for a candidate to be the nation's first national intelligence director.

His nomination must be confirmed by the Senate.

Rep. Ike Skelton, D-Mo., who is expected to chair the House Armed Services Committee next year, said Rumsfeld's resignation "presents an important opportunity for our country to begin a new policy direction in Iraq and in the war on terrorism."

He encouraged the Bush administration to take advantage of the fresh start.

[410indashade]

Ah Uncle Nicky I to was once so naive.  The reason why the business interests that the Cheney Administration works for didn't blanch at the expense of the war is because we the taxpaying public are paying for it.  The reason we ship oil to Iraq like everthing else is profit     Jim I read the article and no where in the missive does it say anything about a Clinton policy of wanting to get Saddam to start something.  The Chris Wallace interview was after the 9/11 debacle when Clinton was busy building an alibi for his lack of action on al Qaeda.

[Kentbob]

To get back on track, Donny is out.  The day after the election.  I can't imagine why...


Kent

[JimH]

Great News from the Dems already.
They have a 4 point plan for Iraq:
Send More Troops,(LOL,not what their election /reelection ads said)
No more Police actions,let the Iraqis straighten it out themselves.
Defensive posture only to protect key iraqi areas.
Train up Iraqis at a faster pace and make them responsible to keep the peace.

Wow sounds like No one else will be killed??
I wonder where the part about bringing the troops home comes in?
LOL

also they have said they will go forward with finding ways to make the Illegals citizens,LOL
(Yep just what Americans across the country have shown to be what they want,lol.)

[410indashade]

Hey JimH, K-Fed sold me this rap cheap because you know with Britney kicking him to the curb and all he's a little strapped for cash.  It goes something like this, 

" Yo JimH, I'm all about the first three of the Dem 4
 point plan.  Yo ya'all it just isn't gonna work though.
Nancy P thinks Christmas Ho - Ho - Ho came early this
year Chuh - chuh and 'numba fo' has gotta go chuh

[JimH]

Greatnews from Al Qaeda
They would like to thank the Citizens  for a change in Reign in US Government and are so fired up now over the change they vow to escalate attacks on US Troops,Draw more Blood and force the US to Pull Out.

It is Great how these Terrorists are able to Kill and this Changes Governments and Policy.
(The US and Spain have now fallen Victim)

Rumsfeld now being Charged with War Crimes in Germany and will face American Senior Military Officials who say that Crimes at Abu Ghraib were directed from the top.

[410indashade]

Great News from the Dems already.
They have a 4 point plan for Iraq:
Send More Troops,(LOL,not what their election /reelection ads said)
No more Police actions,let the Iraqis straighten it out themselves.
Defensive posture only to protect key iraqi areas.
Train up Iraqis at a faster pace and make them responsible to keep the peace.

Wow sounds like No one else will be killed??
I wonder where the part about bringing the troops home comes in?
LOL

also they have said they will go forward with finding ways to make the Illegals citizens,LOL
(Yep just what Americans across the country have shown to be what they want,lol.)

Let's see where have I ... oh yes..."Now let's get into strategies for Irag and Afganistan.  Both are really all about oil.  So let's admit it!  Once we do this simple thing all or most of our problems go away.  We no longer have to worry about the hearts and minds of anyone native to either country.  We can dispense with the pretense of rebuilding either and most importantly we can use the assets thus freed-up to build fortifications in the desert with re-supply by air.  Located where you can see your enemy coming for miles in good weather and in bad we simply rely on good old landmines and listening posts for defense.  Offensively, we only have to worry about the oil fields and pipelines.  We can run both air and land patrols from secured facilities at random intervals over the open desert (not on roads) so the insurgents never know where we'll show up and where to place there I.E.D.s.  It won't be easy but it should be safer now that we have secured our living quarters, supply lines and water supply."

Except for training the Iragi's to take over the policing I seemed to have been very close or perhaps the experts in CI warfare I have been reading and listening to on FOX were consulted by one of the more military minded among the Dems.  I don't know.  I'm sure stranger things have happened but I'm not aware of any, oh wait  I did see that UFO while rabbit hunting in the New Mexican desert back in '48' but that turned out to be the planet Venus or a weather balloon, swamp gas or some damn thing.   

[arnold]

Once again, politics prevails over common sense in warfare. and as for your experience while rabbit hunting, the baooln you saw was one of Uncle Nicks "Fosters" party ballons. He uses it as a signal to his fellow down blunders. The smoke you saw was from the cerimonial sheep grilling that is held only on rare occasions after they attend marathon curling matches.
More on this later.

[410indashade]

 Can anyone tell me how to insert a vid I received from Afganistan recently?  I think all you guys would find it interesting.

[Professor]

send it to me:  drjeffallen@gmail.com and I'll post it.

[410indashade]

send it to me:  drjeffallen@gmail.com and I'll post it.

10-4 Professor