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Author Topic: The Auto Ambush and Bodyguard Training  (Read 2323 times)

Hock

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The Auto Ambush and Bodyguard Training
« on: December 21, 2004, 11:21:27 PM »

I continually run across people who have graduated from one bodyguard course or another, some from very big name training companies. People usually feel quite accomplished from such training. I nod my head and smile.

One mandatory segment in such training is a VIP-and-team trapped in a car situation. The protectors all file out with two-handed grips in perfect position and engage in paper targets as they shuffle their VIP away. God, they look pretty! Group dance. All targets torn and the smell of gunpowder in the air, everyone is feeling very macho and successful…and foolishly thinking they have a handle on such situations.

But when they run these same patterns against moving, thinking enemies with simulated ammo, their range team suddenly has a 90 percent fatality rate and the VIP often dies too. BIG shock. Still, most of the big name schools do not run sims! Is it because true success is very difficult? It is that hard to survive even under the best defensive plan? Do they prefer to keep the students dumb and optimistic to "feel good?"

In the module I have designed, two teams are chosen, attackers and defenders. At the beginning of the training, a quick review on vehicle evasion must be introduced as the first option. The training situation begins when the vehicle escape becomes impossible. An ambush is set, usually with cars as barricades, and the encounter begins. With each experience, each team gets smarter and smarter, trying to outrun, outgun and destroy each other. Run this set-up for several hours.

But the real education begins when the teams switch roles, now seeing the other half of the operation. Run this for several hours. It is imperative that both teams get to problem-solve both sides of the fight. You would be amazed...AMAZED what plans and tricks people come up with. About one day-two days better- of this is sufficient to create quite an “experienced hand” at it.

When you feel the teams are in some kind of groove? Then add a few outside factors. Change up the environment. Add an extra bodyguard car, put a ambush sniper in place. Get creative.

Given a simulation where all parties might be actually armed with automatic weapons, paint ball guns can be used, but your cars will take a beating. Electric Airsoft does not do this. Gas Airsoft might. If the situation would call for semi-auto pistols, then paintball guns with their massive ammo reservoirs would destroy the reality. Hundreds of paintball rounds per gun really changes the reality.

Electric airsoft allows us cheap, easy training almost anywhere. It is vital, affordable, grass roots training you can do on your backlot. Easy, cheap-training is better than wish-list, "I-wish-I-could-afford-that"-training." Better because one gets done-the other doesn't.

That past day at the target range shooting paper targets is a shallow, abstract experience compared to this, but it absolutely should be done with live fire. Then lets quickly get to the "shooting real people" part. Never forget the range part of the training. Its just that is doesn't nearly cover the real deal.

We will be doing these in the upcoming Vegas camp on gun day. Plus, Mike Steele (in Virginia) and I working on a date in the Fall, 2005 for this sims shooting weekend training at his facitliy in Fredericksberg. I have egually as great as great "walking VIP" scenarios and hope to do them there also.

"You are not learning to gunfight unless someone is shooting back."

Hock

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Re: The Auto Ambush and Bodyguard Training
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2004, 09:28:19 PM »

Hi,

very good topic starter, from a very realistic point of wiew. I'd got mil.-gov. background and as I see you could capture very important questions. A lot of training is designed for "clean" enviroments and the trainers forget that the situation is different when the ground is covered by broken glass or oil (from damaged cars for instance). If it's urban area you have to calculate with the crowd, the people who can be shocked and making the situation more chaotic.

You can meet trained guards who can't imagine that the bad guys can use a weapon like a Gepard 12,7 or 14,5 mm or they are simply enough crazy to use a car to crash you.  :'(

And the communication can't be trained enough times under stress or when the cahain of command is broken. Thank you for the article and thanks for the possibilití to put my 2 cent to it.

Stay safe,

D.
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Re: The Auto Ambush and Bodyguard Training
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2004, 02:40:04 AM »

Hi,

very good topic starter, from a very realistic point of wiew. I'd got mil.-gov. background and as I see you could capture very important questions. A lot of training is designed for "clean" enviroments and the trainers forget that the situation is different when the ground is covered by broken glass or oil (from damaged cars for instance). If it's urban area you have to calculate with the crowd, the people who can be shocked and making the situation more chaotic.

You can meet trained guards who can't imagine that the bad guys can use a weapon like a Gepard 12,7 or 14,5 mm or they are simply enough crazy to use a car to crash you.  :'(

And the communication can't be trained enough times under stress or when the cahain of command is broken. Thank you for the article and thanks for the possibilití to put my 2 cent to it.

Stay safe,

D.

It's also astounding how many people believe that a single handgun round can stop a car. I don't know how many times I've heard, "A .357 (or .44 mag, or .454 casull, or .50 AE, Etc.) will crack an engine block!"  Bulls**t! One of the most educational things I've ever done was shoot the crap out of a running "Bicmobile" (i.e., a cheap, disposable car). Lessons learned: the doors offer no protection at all even from most handgun rounds, the engine will take hits all day unless you accidentally hit some electrical component or it finally overheats from loss of coolant (a long time!).  The main lesson learned was that I definitely do NOT want to stay in a stopped auto for any length of time in an attack. The car used was a 1970 Buick Skylark which was probably made of thicker steel than modern cars.

I can't recommend trying this because of the extreme richocet hazard, but it was interesting and fun... :)
« Last Edit: December 23, 2004, 08:31:15 AM by Deadeye Dave »
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Re: The Auto Ambush and Bodyguard Training
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2004, 08:22:50 AM »

Yes, I agree with you. I had the choice to do the car amortisation test too ;D. It was a russian model, a Lada 1200S. Well, the lesson for me was that a car is not a shell or a concrete wall. You are not safe inside it and you are not really safe behind it.
After it we could try see a special gun (the Gepard I was talking about) breaks threw some armour. (Originally this gun was designed for snipers, against the normal targets and armoured vehicles used by infantry. For 100 metres it brakes threw 15mm (in case of NATO M88 10 mm). So, you are absolutely right: "camping" has it's risk, even in an armoured car. :)

D.
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Re: The Auto Ambush and Bodyguard Training
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2004, 07:26:28 AM »

A Lada?
Probably not safe in there even if no one is shoting at you.
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Re: The Auto Ambush and Bodyguard Training
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2004, 11:49:41 AM »

One thing I have been taught in all of my EMS training is that when things get rough get in the ambulance andthrow it in gear , romp on the gas and run like he!! . If thats not an option fight like he11 and pray for the best. :)
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Re: The Auto Ambush and Bodyguard Training
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2005, 06:06:30 PM »

It's also a matter of shock when the car you're in gets struck, even at a low speed.  I did a HRP (High Risk Personnel) course several years ago and we were struck at a low speed (5 - 10 MPH).  That was enough of a jolt to cause a bit of a "what the heck happended" response.  As we exited the vehicle with the "ambassador" my partner lost his pistol, the client shot.  I made it to gravel pavement and managed to shoot (sims) only one of the three attackers.   Very confusing!!  Commuinications --  what ear peice, what was it that my partner said ....  Where did that car come from ??
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