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[mleone]

This is all due to Shamrock!


Did you hear that? Minus some of the more damaging blows? Now thats funny.

Competition? Too funny every one wants to get their rocks off on copeteting these days.
What happen to competeting against your own excellence?

Competetion can be an uphill climb to success that is laden with ego-traps. As our pursuit of even the noblest goals comes into the limelight, we may be subject to criticism, envy or other aggressive attention, which can cause us either to get into an aggressive-defensive mode or retract from our original purpose altogether. Such reactions are fallout of negative competition.

There is a differences between positive and negative competition.
I feel this negative competition has deviating from our orginal goal to train our soliders.
So now we are fighting each other? Wheres my knife or gun belt? Where is my weapons?

Granted I love and train MMA thats going in the wrong direction.
Some of the most egocentric people are often afraid of losing more than any one.
Fear and insecurity...
This is why fathers and mothers on the soccer fields run in and fight the coach. They are so ego based they cant stand to see their child lose.
So the understanding of improvement has gone out the window! The understanding that some times you have to lose in order to win. Good boxers watch their old lost fights to understand the fight further.

Those are champions, no matter how many times they get knocked down they get up!
Try until is the way of the winner!

that clip was crap!

[410indashade]

It might just be coincidence but know of several police departments that are turning from reality type systems like Krav to MMA for their personal defensive tactics.   

[JimH]

I can see why Police Departments might go to MMA type training as their job,for the most part,when dealing with a suspect is to subdue them.
So going to the ground ,pinning,holding and cuffing are possible needs.
but
The people who think of this are rarely the officers on then street with vest,pistol belt,pistol,rounds,cuffs,baton,flashlight,radio.

The NYPD had MMA officers who wanted to introduce this type of training to the department,but once thinking bosses said thats great in the gym,put on the gear and do it in the street,it was quickly dismisssed as a doable method.

[410indashade]

That's exactly my point even policemen and I know several that have belts in the Gracie system warn against using it on the street as is.

[CelticWarrior]

As I have said on this forum and many others,this is not Military Combatives,this is sport.
Also
Larsen never hid the fact of what he wanted from this program,he wanted the Army to be able to train,employ,use and produce UFC type competitors,this is what they have done,under the False Banner of Combatives.

I'm new here, so correct me if I'm wrong. Are you saying the army is teaching this as prep for combat? 

Soon though this program will either be eliminated or put in as a sport for a recruiting tool and an actual combatives program will be taught.

This would be fine with me....for those who wanted to blow off steam/compete for sport UFC style.

It would have been nice to see Nicks Program get in.

Help me out. I'm from TMA/street background. Please tell me which Nick.  Thanks.

[CelticWarrior]

OK, think I answered my own question. Nick as in Hughes, correct? No need to answer unless I'm off track. Thanks. A NooB. 

[JimH]

Hi CelticWarrior,
The US Army COMBATIVES program as designed by then SFC Larsen was set up in a multi phase level of instruction,that few ever get to see beyond the first phase.,(Instructor level mostly see the whole thing)

The First Phase is set up upon BJJ /Sambo as UFC styled sport.

This is taught to recruits as the largest base and then carries on as troops stay in the military.

SFC Larsen had said that BJJ was a contact sport ,used to instill aggression,create self confidence and build unit cohesion.
(he also said it was to be used to try and create an Army level competiton of large scale to allow for the possibility of finding some who could carry over into the UFC or UFC type events,as we see he accomplished that goal as well)

The downside is that all those arm chair people who watch the TV and saw UFC  type events,the Gracies,BJJ and all that saw what was supposed to be seen that MMA/UFC,Gracie, styled combat was the best form of fighting,which is not true due to the constraints of the sport,the rules and lack of gear that military/police have and use.

What is seen in the Army UFC version IS their COMBATIVES program,for the most part,the most used ,the most wide spread part.

When a recruit is told that if used on the Battlefield,pin and hold the opponent until help arrives to HELP,then you know you are falling short of a REAL WORKING COMBATIVES program.

No one with gear on can fight that way.

No one in a Combat zone can have the time to pin and hold and wait for help,if needed for Combat it must have strikes and attacks to injure,cripple and kill from the outset with finishing moves,not sport.

For Police actions,or military police actions, maybe some potions can be used to subdue and pin or restrain,but again the gear limits functional use of these moves on the street.

I hope this answers your questions.

[arnold]

You tell em, Kentbob, I'll listen. And I'll do so while I'm petting my miniature hunter killer, having a truly delicious imported German beer, and plotting to eliminate those evil roos.
But on a side note, I actually watched TV the other day. Saw the duck in the AFLAC commercial. Just wondered if Kentbob trained this duck in it's superhero aspects. I'll betcha it has kung foo webbed feet.

[CelticWarrior]

Yes, thanks JimH!