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[Professor]

The UN ( head of UN humanitarian operations, Jan Egeland) told reporters that the US is a stingy low-life without a real care for the world population that has be devestated by the recent Tsunami.


President Bush on has pledged $350 million to help tsunami victims, and didn't rule out sending even more U.S. aid to help people recover from what he is calling an "epic disaster."


Bush has stated that that the $2.4 billion dollars spent by the U.S. in emergency aid last year constituted 40 percent of all such aid contributed by donor governments globally. "Historically, Washington has borne between 25 and 33 percent of the costs of international humanitarian aid, roughly equivalent to its share of the global economy."


John Glassman, an Asia specialist who directs Foreign Policy in Focus (FPIF):  "The slowness and stinginess of the Bush administration's response does not play well in Asia, a region where it has demanded active support for its self-declared global war on terrorism...Humanitarian imperatives aside, the administration's stance displays an amazing absence of enlightened self-interest."


How much is enough....is not Enough!?    I'm tired of the UN........they haven't been a lot of help to the US.....


Opinions?

[Mr. Barnett]

All conspiracy theories aside, the UN's sole purpose is to remove the sovereignty of any nation that stands in the way of 'progress' of establishing a one world government.  Look into the history of the UN, and then have a look at the US constitution.  Direct competition.  In fact, US servicemen are imprisioned for not serving (Unconstitutionally) under UN command, and wearing UN colors.  It goes on and on, but the UN has conveniently overstepped the US govt, and has been panning for handouts directly from the population.  Unicef, UNI whatever!  These guys have big plans for the US.  War criminals have ran the UN in the past, and indicted criminals deep inside US govt. circles can't wait to unleash the UN on the US.  Henry Kissenger said, "The US won't take the UN now, but in the future, they will beg the UN to come handle things".  The US population has been mislead.  During the election, US citizens asked for UN poll watchers!  If that's not just handing the country over to UN officials, then i don't know what is.  Watch out for the UN.  They don't have anything nice planned for the citizens of the US.
Originally they were the league of Nations, and now the UN.  Lot's of info on the real agenda of the UN, but not good for stomachs of most.  as you can see, I don't like what they have planned.  IMF and world bank are the arms that support and pave the way for thier universal hostilities.  They have even created their own religion, and expect that people will be united by it.  For the lowdown on the UN, see www.jfpo.org
Gerald.

[Mr. Barnett]

sorry, that would be www.jpfo.org.   Most interresting would be the small handouts about gun control, getting a fair trial, and the UN brochure.
sorry for teh dislexia.
G.

[Joe Hubbard]

The devastation that the Tsunami event caused has indeed shown the true colours of many of the countries involved.  When I say countries I am not referring to the common man of these lands, but the corrupt leaders that see no further than their own bank accounts, prostitutes and gold leaf mansions.  Slowly information is coming out that the Thai government knew hours before that this was going to happen, but didn’t want there to be panic set in to effect the tourist industry.  No medical supplies yet again, but I am sure the Kings and Generals have got more medical supplies than they know what to do with.  Oh, I forgot they probably sold those supplies to fund their coke habits.  I just saw on the news tonight that Indonesian Generals were trying to publicly turn down aid in front of the cameras from the US and Great Britain.  When they realised that they were being foolish, out comes the guys with the Osama Bin Laden World Tour T-shirts in protest.  Man, we’ll still be viewed by the rest of the world as the bad guys from some strange reason, but when the sh+t hit the fan (literally) who comes up with the goods?  We do!  It really makes me sick, these rouge nations carry on with all their dodgy dealings and we keep getting slack for killing the bad guys so as to preserve our way of life!

Fed up

Joe 

[Boar Man]

Jeff

Is it 350 million or 35 million?  Last I heard on Friday it was 35 million.  Has it changed?

Mark

[Professor]

Jeff

Is it 350 million or 35 million?  Last I heard on Friday it was 35 million.  Has it changed?

Mark

Los Angeles Times (Saturday, January 01, 2005)

"CRAWFORD, Texas — President Bush announced a tenfold increase yesterday in U.S. aid to victims of the Indian Ocean tsunami, pledging $350 million to address an "epic disaster" that he said could require still greater sums. "

[gumbey]

I am pro-Bush but he has recommended everyone to donate to the Tsunami disaster relief. I don't know what everyone thinks. But as far as I'm concerned, I'm not giving ****. I have empathy for the victims of the Tsunami but our tax dollars are already being paid to Uncle Sam for govt. expenses, especially disaster relief. The average US citizen is already overtaxed as is, don't you think? And those countries and the UN criticizing us for not giving enough? They don't realize that we've given the most contribution. It's time for other countries to ante up and step to the plate for contributions.

[Adventure]

 I kind of agree, but on FOX News they showed who has given what:

JAP-500mil
US-350mil by the Gov, Privite donation are 3.5 times what the Gov gave we are still the most giving country in the world.
Sweden-80 mil for only having 8,000,000 people in their country.
The French (we hate the french) 60mil- & they have about 60,000,000 people in their country.
Saudi Arab (sp?)- 10mil----cheap bastards.

[Wu_W3i]

Just to show another side of the coin.. kinda gets me off when a Us citizen complains the taxes are too high to help the victims of the disaster.. in Sweden we have around twice the tax pressuare of the Us, still the Swedes have given as said here above 80mil and we have 9mil citizens. This isnt a contest in who can give the most ofocurse, its all good that we help out those that need it with whatever we can. Just wanna get sort of a reminder that most of the world arnt having 2 cars and a house and so on and they still try and help, the Thai people gave away food to tourists after the wave and then consider that these thai people often are poor fishermans etc living with a standard of life that you or I only can imagine to have..and still they give and help others...

Also something a lot of Us people don't understand is that a lot of things you consider to be just every day things pisses people off in the rest of the world. Im not in general a anti Us person unlike many Swedes but still I can't stand people living in the richest country on the planet and still being greedy etc. Also the way of politics runned by many Us politicians gets very close to communism, telling people that they arnt allowed to do abortions or being married man to man etc, and then we have the quesiton of democrachy and citizen rights that are some of a ? these days with the patriot act.. I truly belive that everyone including the Us has the right to defend itself and to take care of its homeland but it's gone way to far as it is now.

Anyway, let's all pray for the vicitims of the terrible disaster in asia and let's skip a few burgers and beers and give to those that need those $ for survival.

[Rawhide]

I SUPPOSE it would look like communism and piss other people off in other countries.  The US is prone to do this.  But consider this:  We have forgein aid to over 21 countries including the Swiss (www.gloabalissues.org).  We contribute to the bottom line of all these countries so the can IMPROVE.  So us being greedy is an insult.  Taxation is a government priviledge and duty.  You carry your taxation as a badge of honor and martyrdom, doesn't mean much to me.  We support and finance almost every foreign regime and government on this ball, for good or ill.  Everyone bitches about the one with all the money until they need it then they come crying to the doorstep.  We give gladly and plentifully, we're sorry that $350 million ain't enough to impress everyone, we've got a country to rebuild in the middleast, Aids to treat in Africa, foodstuffs for just about every Third World country on the map, actively searching out and destroying terrorist for ALL to live safe, the UN to support (bastards) and over 21 countries whose bottom lines we support.  But I guess that makes us greedy, whiny, selfish, self serving spoiled Americans... WAAAAHHHH!

[Wu_W3i]

lol did you even read my post ? I didn't say Us were greedy as a country I said the guy that whined he got too much taxes to be able to help the poor was.. and neither did I say Us support to poor countries was communism I said that the ultra conservatism that wants to have the government decide for the citizens what is best for them and wheter or not they are allowed to love eachother if two males or two females want to do that is communism russia/nazi germany style. Freedom should be to the fullest not limited freedom where it means that some things are suspended from beign free due to a government with lots of religious fanatics in it.

[Milldog1776]

I said that the ultra conservatism that wants to have the government decide for the citizens what is best for them and wheter or not they are allowed to love eachother if two males or two females want to do that is communism russia/nazi germany style.

Last time I checked conservatives believe in smaller government. We believe that "we the people" are smart enough to govern ourselves.

[Wu_W3i]

Well It's not a easy thing discussing these matters a euro guy - a us guy as the terms means a bit different things, like liberal in Us pretty much means you are left wing/socialist while here it could just as well be you are capitalist/right wing wich I myself would be considered as.

Anyway the government of Usa today does have lot's of ways to control peoples lives, a good example is how the republicans work against homosexual marriges etc, this isn't freedom and it doesn't in my opinion belong in a free, capitalistic democracy. Am I wrong ?

Im not a expert in Us politics but things that we read in the papers here like how your secretary of internal afairs (I think it was..) had this statue of a naked woman in the background of his speechpodium covered to not show nudity..I belive in freedom of religion but I do not belive in having religious people running a country and setting their morale values as a standard based on some 2000 year old book. When a politican, may it be a swedish one or a Us one decides that he knows whats best for the citizens and therefor decides for them that they shouldnt watch nudity for instance then thats soviet/nazi in my eyes.

[Milldog1776]

You're comparing John Ashcroft to Stalin or Hitler? Yeah I guess you're right...killing 100 million people is kinda up there with covering up a marble penis.

Sorry...you're arguments, simply don't hold up, when you go to that extreme. It makes you sound like a nut. Nuts fall on both sides of the fence by the way.

[Wu_W3i]

It's just a bit funny at times how the "land of the free" is runned by people that pay 20 000$ to cover up a nude statue...and where did you get the killing millions part from? Please quote me on where I compared him to stalin or hitler.. your way of takin something i wrote and transforming it to something else is low dude. I compared the governments control of the citiziens with the control that existed in soviet and nazi germany, I didn't even mention stalin or hitler.. your way of argue doesn't hold up.. it's the old boring tabloid paper version where you make up your own interpetation of what I say and claim that's what we are dicsussing..