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[Ashblaster]

My own thoughts. This is a demo video I made for a prospective client interested in instructional DVD's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFfHztOLZVE

[Sharif H]

Very nice. At first it looked as though you were refering to the gunting in a sport type context until you showed it as an entering technique. It would have been great if you actually demo'd a full headtwist or other type of takedown to really show WHY you would want to enter that space intead of dueling.
Anyway, it made sense and I liked it.

 

Sharif

[Ashblaster]

Thanks. You made a good point though, the clip's context is limited soley to the technique. Someone with little experience would benefit from a broader explanation. I don't think the info is anything revolutionary, it's just what I picked up from sparring.

[Kaliman33]

Hi,
I would make sure i moved away, remember if the person is punching like a boxer, which is straight on center line, that gunting would not work without alot of footwork, then transition to outside gunting, also if you miss you will go into shoulder stops, and arm wraps,
have fun

Marc Halleck

[Ashblaster]

Thanks Marc! When we spar I tend to find that I do move outside more, my thought was that the inside gunting was easier for me to pull off when I used it like a crashing entry, ala the fence/spear. This is what makes this forum so brilliant, instant feedback from top notch people. Does level two contain the outside gunting? I think we'll work the first level for another couple weeks, then I'll order volume two. I'm really digging this material.

[Trainer]

I have no experience in filipino anything. But that tactic is something i have used very effectivily for about 15 years. And is something that i teach in my DT course. Now i have a name for it!

[mleone]

And did you read the comments from the poster?
It looks like the guy who created the video took it right from Mark. He nicely credits Mark as well.

[Hock]

And Trainer, before you officially start calling that a gunting....

This may be harmles or moot to discuss...but Gunting translates loosely to "Scissors-like" or Scissoring" in Tagolog. This technically means, in this case, that you are crossing your arms, sort of pinning/catching his arm in a scissoring, cross-over, motion.

Just hitting the arm, without scissoring it with your other arm, is ...technically NOT gunting. I think folks in the USA and elsewhere have gotten a bit loose with what is and isn't a "scissoring" destruction and innocently classfied all arm destructions as guntings.

So, there really is a difference between a straight-in, arm destruction and a scissoring, and some anal retentive guys like me will mention that to you if you start using that name in your lessons. Also, if you have nothing to do with FMA? Why bother even calling it any FMA name. I wouldn't. It just raises eyebrows and people will ask you these translation questions, and, and...all that rot. All stuff I get to dodge when I went strictly tactical.

Hock

P.S.  A nice definition page on FMA found here...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipino_Martial_Arts

[mleone]

Another example closer to what Hock is saying in terms of weapons.

Its the scissoring that happens with empty hand pushes a limb into the knife hand and the knife hand cuts the limb. (Beware of the passing block) aka Gunting. Hock might have referred to it on one of his videos. But it is gunting with a knife, I was taught ages ago when I was in another fillipino system.
Open scissor and Close scissor! Both motions, when it applies to empty hand. It can be used as a limb destruction. Think of both fists striking a limb at the same time but in a shearing fashion.
I know silat guys that use that term "Shearing" Bob orlando is one of them.

Here is an example of open scissor. One hand checks the other hand cuts!
Here is a sample of knife gunting:


Gunting has many uses but it does indeed mean scissoring as I have been told by Fillipinos as well.

Watch the Scissoring Sumbrada flow drill with a knife

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDlMXIo0Uy0

[Ashblaster]

Hock,
Is there a name for a straight in arm destruction sans scissoring, or is that just what you'd call it?

He nicely credits Mark as well.

Always give credit where due, and in my case Marc's DVD's are indeed credit worthy.

[mleone]

Marcs stuff is credit worthy,
T

[Hock]

I can't say I have every heard it called "open scissoring." Always just a destruction, but there is a Filipino word for destruction but damned if I can remember it. So many Japanese and Filipino terms have evaporated from my head since I myself do not do serious, presicion, standard Jap/Fil stuff anymore.

But most Americans do just use the term Gunting and maybe that has evolved into being ok, like HuBUD instead of HuBAD. Maybe someone reading this can eventually help out.

Hock

[redcap]

Gunting does indeed mean scissor, as in Gusto ko gunting palihug, may I have the scissors please. etc. mleone is correct in that it has to shear or scissor to be a proper gunting but no doubt it now means (in the US at least) any similar technique.

One I was shown by Nino Pilla of JKD-Kali fame and also Guru Dan Inosanto was the gunting to the fist using the elbow.  I'm damned if I can make it work unless the puncher punches short and leaves his fist hanging there long enough.  No doubt the two gentlement mentioned can make it work for real but not me.

Gunting should be a nerve destruction thing but some have it working on the joint, as in hyper extending the elbow and such.  Gub-on is "destroy" and what you do when you use a Gunting.  Like Hock I no longer use the language every day so I have to ask the Asawa! (Wife)  These are Visayan words, Tagalog might be different. Hubud is Visayan for untie, but undress or be naked in Tagalog!

I got caught once teaching Tagalog terms to a class of Visayan speakers.  I used the word Buto (tagalog for bone) which is Visayan for vagina.  The class erupted and took forever to get back on track.

Against a half decent boxer I can;t make the guntings work as advertised.  Best kept for people poking fingers in your chest or when you have a knife or pocket stick to add emphasis methinks.  Cheers Perry er I mean Redcap

[mleone]

Hock the open scissoring was taught to me with a knife.
Left hand checks right hand slices upward. It was just a teaching term that was taught to me.

[Hock]

I got caught once teaching Tagalog terms to a class of Visayan speakers.  I used the word Buto (tagalog for bone) which is Visayan for vagina.  The class erupted and took forever to get back on track.

...got caught once in England saying that some women keep pistols in their "fanny pack" (you know...that belt-and-zipper pouch worn on the hip. In the UK, this fanny-lingo means vagina, and I got the most curious looks and laughs. My official tanslator Joe Hubbard had to correct me.

Hock