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Great Quote
« on: January 05, 2005, 10:49:18 AM »

"If you've got them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow."
John Wayne
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Re: Great Quote
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2005, 12:23:37 PM »

The Duke was a poet.
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Re: Great Quote
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2005, 12:03:43 AM »

"Improvise, adapt and overcome!"
US Marine maxim

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Re: Great Quote
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2005, 12:09:05 AM »

Joe is the MAN!

"The Only Dirty Fight is the one you LOST."
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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2005, 12:26:52 AM »

"Belts only hold your pants up."
      My old Sensei Rick Davenport
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Re: Great Quote
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2005, 05:16:55 AM »

"Everyone has a plan, until they get hit."-Mike Tyson

"It's not whether you win or lose, it's how badly you beat the other guy in second place."-Rob Leatham

"The more you sweat in training, the less you'll bleed in combat."-Richard Marcinko

"Fortune favors the prepared."-Hock Hocheim

"Fail to prepare, prepare to fail."-*

*=don't know who quoted that, anyone knows?
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Re: Great Quote
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2005, 02:07:19 AM »

"The will to win compares little with the will to want to win." Gus D'Amato
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Re: Great Quote
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2005, 02:16:14 AM »

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynacism by those who do not have it."
        Shaw
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Re: Great Quote
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2005, 10:56:49 PM »

"A pint of sweat saves a gallon of blood" General George S. Patton

"People sleep peacefully in bed at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Oscar Wilde
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Re: Great Quote
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2005, 06:14:28 AM »

"fatigue makes coward of us all."
     Vince Lombardi? I think?
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Re: Great Quote
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2005, 01:29:45 PM »

"Close quarter combat is a knife in the back, in the dark. Anything else is less than perfect."

By yours truly...

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Re: Great Quote
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2005, 12:18:07 AM »

“Keep it simple, but not too simple!”
Einstein


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Re: Great Quote
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2005, 12:20:37 AM »

“I don’t care what some Chinese guy said 300 years ago, just chunk the SOB on the ground and finish him!”

Hock


“It’s all about the killing!”

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« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2005, 12:24:14 AM »

"It's not all about the killing" - Hock (explaining the dilemma of the military in today's multifacited battlefield)

"When you're fighting against a knife, it all sucks and it is all damn near suicide - let's just start with that." - Hock

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Re: Great Quote
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2005, 01:07:35 AM »

"Its all just different shades of horrible" - Mike Gillette on gunfighting acurrately applied by Hock in all situations
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Re: Great Quote
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2005, 11:22:03 PM »

"The superior fighter has no emtional attachment to any tool, range, technique or style of fighting" - Richard Dimitri

"The 'fight' from its earliest point, to its state of incompleteness is so vast that any attempts at locking onto specifics deludes our chances of survival from the minimal... to the extreme."
- Richard Dimitri

"At what level of imperfection will YOU settle?" - Brandon Lee
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Re: Great Quote
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2005, 07:57:57 AM »

"Cut his head off and mount it on the wall!"

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Re: Great Quote
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2005, 09:28:57 AM »

"The 'fight' from its earliest point, to its state of incompleteness is so vast that any attempts at locking onto specifics deludes our chances of survival from the minimal... to the extreme."

OK...

Now this one has me in a state of incompleteness...

The fight from its earliest point (when it is starting-we guess)
to its state of incompleteness ( as in a continuum? Early point on one end to incompleteness  on the other? The word "to" has me thinking continuum from one thing to another)


is so vast....

no attempts to lock onto any specifics....

deludes our chances from the mininal to the extreme
(that mean all possibilities? all chances from the mininal to the extreme.)

...and how does his shredder fit into that? Using and relying on the shredder is locking onto a specific, which is going to delude our chances?

BUT if it deludes the chances from the mininal-to-the extreme, then anything can happen? Or are we talking about mininals-only here. A mininal-mininal to an extreme-mininal.

I am tyring to rehash that one. I mean, I know it is supposed to say "Keep an open mind in a fight." Yes?

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Re: Great Quote
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2005, 09:28:30 PM »

“Don’t try this at home, these Bolos are CHARP!”

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Re: Great Quote
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2005, 01:40:00 PM »

Actually, that long dessertation would be an answer to 100 questions.
maybe 150 questions. These answers, cover all the norms of current day, smart "group think," (-but in a very long manner. Sorry, I belong to the Hemingway literary school, where writing is reduced to its very poetic essence) 

What I was wondering specifically is...is the shredder then..over trained? Is it the classic "locked-in response?" Or is it? Should people learn more than just the shredder given all these vast, limitless possibilities per situation.

Hock

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« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2005, 06:02:35 PM »

What I was wondering specifically is...is the shredder then..over trained? Is it the classic "locked-in response?" Or is it? Should people learn more than just the shredder given all these vast, limitless possibilities per situation.
Now I don't mean to get off on a rant here, but...

Many moons ago Sifu Chris Sato told me with a wicked smile..."If you dig your fingers in their eyes and kick 'em in the balls at the same time...you really got something."

Now, I've never seen the Shredder and don't claim to be an expert on what it's about...but I have a good idea. From conversations I've had with people who have worked with it...It's pretty much what Sato taught me.

 If that is all you know, I feel you are at a disadvantage. You'll never get the eyes of a good boxer or kickboxer, because you can't "bridge the gap". And, a good grappler will tie you up before you get their eyes.

My solution...know enough boxing to not get into a boxing match with a boxer. Know enough kicking to not get into a kickboxing match with a kicker. And know enough grappling to get your fingers in that S.O.B.s eyes before he locks you up.

Basically, you need to know more than just "The Shredder" because we all make mistakes. If you miss or can't get in...you're in boxing/kickboxing range. If you get in but can't get to their face...you are in grappling range.

But that's just my opinion....I may be wrong.
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« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2005, 06:12:29 PM »

Senshido is more than the shredder.  I don't think either Hock or Mildog read the entire passage that they are questioning.  I did read it. But I can't really blame them because I found the experience almost painful. 

Good stuff, but someone needs to hire an editor to make that passage more understandable to those of us with IQ's below 200.

Anyway somewhere in there he wrote:
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The third step is the physical portion; we cover all ranges of combat (contrary to popular belief, we're not all about eye gouges and groin strikes). We rely heavily on athletic ability, conditioning the students through functional combative strength training. We cover tool and target development in the kicking, boxing, close quarter combat, grappling and ground fighting game. I separate grappling and ground fighting because you can grapple standing up. All the ranges are then worked together through (if I may quote Matt Thornton here) 'alive' drills, sparring and scenario based training.
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« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2005, 06:33:57 PM »

Senshido is more than the shredder.  I don't think either Hock or Mildog read the entire passage that they are questioning.  I did read it. But I can't really blame them because I found the experience almost painful. 

Good stuff, but someone needs to hire an editor to make that passage more understandable to those of us with IQ's below 200.

Don't recall ever saying Senshido wasn't more than The Shredder. Actually...don't recall sayin' "Senshido" at all. All I said is Shredder ain't enough.
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« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2005, 10:05:20 PM »

Hell, Ya'll I JUST looked at the article, started to get vertigo and thought "If it takes THAT long to 'splain a sentence, then I need a Hock Hochheim, Tom Barnhart or Jeff Allen explanation like Joe quoted above.

I know we need philosophy but even the Buddah and Lao Tzu left it to the individual to figure out what they were saying IN SIMPLE TERMS.

Too much for little brain!  I'm with Milldog!
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« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2005, 11:14:02 PM »

Good stuff, but someone needs to hire an editor to make that passage more understandable to those of us with IQ's below 200.

Well, if any quote takes 14 paragraphs to explain, then how good is the quote.
All of the explanation makes perfect sense-just the "common group" think of the day. All good, smart modern people believe all that he says.

There are just some students, a group of them, who really like all the extra verbage. There some students, a group of them, that do not. Me? I am somewhere in the middle. In the end, either group can potentially kick ass.

But anyway, this is not the Galactic Board of Quote Review-charged with banishing people's quotes from university textbooks. Its just some fun...like for example, this unforgettable giant:

"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotamy."

Socratically yours,
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« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2005, 09:45:42 AM »

"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotamy."


"Just different ways to kill the pain, the same..."

Man!  I haven't heard that since the Dr. Demento days!! ;D
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Re: Great Quote
« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2005, 06:30:41 PM »

How about this one…

“I feel more like I do now, than when I first got here.”
 Yours truly
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« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2005, 08:23:03 PM »

The one that has hung with me for the last 15 years:


"Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with catsup."
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« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2005, 10:30:42 PM »

"Never ask a man where he is from.  If he from Texas he'lll tell you.  If he is not, then don't embarrass him!"


Jeff (Yep, I'm from Texas) Allen

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« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2005, 06:49:57 PM »

“There is no hunting like the hunting of man, and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter.”  -Ernest Hemingway



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