Cold Steel declares Strider a Fraud!

[Nick Hughes]

As one of my business mentors told me...

There's two ways to have the biggest building
You can knock all the others down or...
You can build the biggest one.

The problem with knocking all the others down is that by the time you get to the third one, the owner is waiting for you.

Nick

[Benjamin Liu]

I dont know, I feel its bad business to post something like that. True or not..
I would be better business to put up something to the effect of "We are not affiliated with him what so ever".

Its like the Kenpo site I once found that trashed talked Kenpo....
Bad business...

I feel putting out negative things only reaps more negative stuff back to you.

In general negative talk is bad for business, especially if you do it in person.  When you put a customer in a negative state and you are the one with them while they are in it, they tend to associate those feelings to you. 

I don't know what Cold Steel is doing, since the only people who'd really care are the "knife nuts," not the average knife buyer who might know companies like Buck and Cold Steel but not Busse and Strider.  "Knife nuts" are more likely to buy expensive custom and semi-custom knives than production knives, and they are also a very small percentage of the knife market. 

[Naso Karas]

But here's a link so anyone can draw their own conclusions.  It's a wacky story, but who really cares about this windbag, knucklehead?  So he makes cool knives...so what?  Don't like'em, don't buy his blades.  They are pretty pricey anyhow. Mick Strider was repeatedly requested for dates of service, unit names, and times spent in those units. Mick Strider refused to provide them.

The FOIA information is linked right here.  Weird...
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=453852

[Hock]

As Nick said earlier, it is not good karma to tear another business down, down and down.
But after re-reading what Lynn Thompson said, I don't think he went overboard or was too vicious.

But I cannot help myself but draw some lines when it comes to military and police pretenders and frauds. Moreso military than police. I have trouble seeing through these prejudices and just buying a knife from a skunk because the knife looks pretty.

It is one thing when people like Vunak or Suarez openly admit, if not advertise they are an ex-inmate, or an ex-con. It actually makes them more interesting and experienced. (Key word being "ex.") Its the deception that bothers me, especially military and police ones. Here is my point to consider...

I think you have to ask yourself, will I buy a knife from this guy? Oh well, hell...is it on sale?

Hock

[Hock]

Anything new on any of this?

Hock

[whitewolf]

OK-sorry but what the hell is the discussion about anyway? Guess I am out of the loop on this but if the weapon is good then buy it or dont buy it-what ever floats your boat.
I feel that some of the writers here have been putting to  much time on this subject-Seriously-what am I missing? WW (ELB)

[Hock]

Oh, basically, in general, in the end, principled people should try not to buy stuff from scumbags?  I don't know?

Some people draw the like with phoney cops and phoney soldiers. Some don't.

Anything new about this Strider story and was just asking.


Hock

[MarineWar1]

I have several Striders, love'em! His SMF folder is being issued to Marine Spec Ops forces, that's good enough for me.

Heck, scumbags are everywhere. I love watching movies, but everytime I do I'm supporting the Hollywood scumbags and ultra-libs.

A cop I personally know (not a friend) back home is one of the biggest thieves I've ever known my whole life, but he's still a cop.

I suppose everyone has there principle meter set at different tolerations. I would have voted for Mick Strider for President over Hussein Obama.

[Hock]

Wondering because...

Event 1:
"The Strider MARSOC SMF is a framelock folding knife that was specifically developed for Detachment 1, the first SOCOM unit of the United States Marine Corps. The Strider SMF was the first knife issued to an individual Marine Corps unit in over 60 years and the first tactical folder issued within the USMC."

Event 2:
"Marine Corps Special Operations Command Detachment One (MCSOCOM Detachment One or Det 1), was a pilot program to assess the value of Marine special operations forces permanently detached to the United States Special Operations Command. Det 1 was activated on June 19, 2003. It was disbanded in 2006.

And did all this false background talk begin AFTER 2003 and AFTER the knife was made and shipped to this now disbanded Detachment 1?  (see what happens when you hang out with too many lawyers! Damn!) Would the Marines have cared about a false military background if they had known? I do know some that would have.

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The knife looks great. Looks a lot like a SOG version.
I just wondered if since the ruckus has Strider cleared himself of it all or what?

Here attached is the latest April, 2008 a knife forum update on the talk
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=352794


Hock

[MarineWar1]

All I was trying to say in my last post is that MOST people have skeletons in their closet, Mick got caught, did his time and paid his dues.

Do we REALLY know the character of everyone we buy things from? I don't know Lynn Thompson from a hole in the ground - but I have some Cold Steel knives. I've spoken to numerous knife shop owners at gun shows and the general consensus out there is that Emerson is a prick and his wife a total B (not my words - I don't know them), but they make good knives (although I don't own any Emerson's).

And the other thing I was trying to say is just because you have a criminal record doesn't make someone a career criminal. And just because you DON'T have a record makes you an upstanding citizen.

[Hock]

This also explains...something? I guess.
http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies313.htm


Hock

[razor back]

I have packed both cold steel and strider. the strider is expensive knife chipped the point right off the the first time I pulled it!! dam was I mad!!!!!!. cold steel has had it problems too. For the most part I do not carry either one. 

[whitewolf]

Razor back-Sense I am not a knife fighter I really cannot comment on the quality of the two knifes mentioned except to say-if a point breaks off then trash the piece of crap-as far as the other if  it has problems same with that one.

These two companies both sound like that they have a identity problem-il pass on both-
I carrry a 3 1/2 inch folder from Gerber in Portland Or. Its sharp and for what i need works-its not fancy just a working small knife.

stay  safe- whitewolf (el lobo blanco)

[RichardB]

I'll care about the man when I'm buying people. If the guy is an ex hobo and professional hot dog salesman or some kind of spec op, ex con, armwrestling champion or whatever is rarely relevant. When it is used it is almost certainly just marketing and should be disregarded in favor of the relevant information. I.e. the specific facts about the knife.

I have no experience with Strider. Got two cold steel knives, haven't had any issues with them so far and will probably buy from them again. Lynn Thompson? Don't know, don't care. If I should ever want a Strider it won't stop me from buying but lying about tacticool careers is just pathetic.

[JKDish]

LOL Richard my man..YOU are tacticool! That's a great phrase and I'm gonna steal it.