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[BA]

 I was just looking at the instructors only page and read the post about getting police to seminars.  It made me wonder how many other police officers use this forum and what type of self-defense training they recieved through their department. If there are other police officers on here lets talk about this subject. We can exchange some ideas and give the instructors some good ideas on how to make seminars better fit our needs. Hopefully this will benefit us and them.

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[PFC Director]

Three topics seem to be the rage currently with officers at my dept...

Empty-hand vs. edged weapons
Groundfighting
Handgun retention

The more seminars that address and include topics such as these, the more cops that might be interested. 

Training methods are key too.  Unfortunately, a lot of officers I train are reluctant to enroll if they foresee the training to be too intense.  They're more interested in theory and information rather than application and practice.  Market your instruction so that it emphasizes WHAT WILL BE LEARNED or WHAT WILL BE GAINED rather than how it will be presented and drilled (they'll find out when they get there)...unless the training method is the cornerstone of the event itself, such as Force-on-Force.  Once they show up, you can challenge them and break them into effective and productive methods of training that are both enjoyable AND intense. 

Bottomline...to get and keep LEO's attention, make it realistic and get to the point of winning violent confrontations.

Steve Krystek
Progressive F.O.R.C.E. Concepts
www.PFCtraining.com

 

[pmh1nic]

Question, do most police departments have a mandatory schedule of recurrent MA or CQC training for officers after they leave the academy? I have a number of friends in law enforcement and other than firearms requalification they're not required to participate in periodic hand to hand training. Is that the norm?

[gumbey]

Common Topics For Training:
-traffic stops
-building clearing
-domestic disturbances
-pepper spray/pr-24 qualifications
-semiannual firearms quals and familiarization (m-16/9mm beretta/mossberg 12-ga.)
-handcuffing
-administrative paperwork/forms
-search and seizure

Note: No followup defensive tactic training after the academy, which teaches a few jointlocks, takedowns, handgun retention (holstered only), and strikes. I pretty much had to learn stuff outside the department, including attending one of Hock's seminars,  just to supplement what I learned.

[Shogun79]

Our department has defensive tactics/subject control training twice a year.  Of course this is not enough.  We train in CQC, weapon retention, edge weapons, subject control annually.  I would like to introduce ground defenses this year.  This is also dependant on time.  Our department has fairly progressive training. 
As the chief DT insturctor I've been able to attend numerous instructor trainings with different systems and organizations.  I normally take back everything,(When I write my report) and then present what fits into our use of force (subject resistance continuum) Is it the best?  Far from it. But I and the other instructors are allowed to present the latest tactics, and train our officers.
 I personally feel that at the academy I teach, they get better training because we have more time.  We're able to force on force simulations, baton, pepper spray, ground defenses, control tactics, etc.
  I can present the latest tactics that fufill the student performance objectives.  I have found over the last twenty years, that officers who are interested in tactics and weapons eventually become instructors.  Most officers have the bad attitude of "It will never happen to me!"  But we have to keep trying.

Keith Collins
www.geocities.com/keithskraal.html

[BA]

 PFC Director hit the big three topics I hear talked about in law enforcement right now. He is also right in saying that officers that will be interested in going to seminars want it to be realistic.
 Question was asked about how often we are required to train in defense tactics. I believe it varies by State and then by department. In my department we are required to go over defense and arrest tactics twice a year. To me twice a year is not enough, on top of that some of that may be going over book work or department policy on the subject.
  In all I am surprised at how few officers are interested in self defense training. I have found that many have a poor attitude on this subject thinking (it will never happen to me) or many have the misperception that they will always be able to get to their firearm in a deadly force situation.
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