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Author Topic: Defence against a "Figure of 8 Attack" Using Empty Hand ?  (Read 3765 times)

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Defence against a "Figure of 8 Attack" Using Empty Hand ?
« on: January 13, 2005, 11:56:30 PM »

If someone came at you with a blade slashing in a figure of 8 and you had no option of retreating how would you defend ?.

The only option we could come up with (a friend I was training with)  is to move foreward and then grapple with the guys arms and lock them. Then hit him with anything and everything. Any thoughts ?
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Re: Defence against a "Figure of 8 Attack" Using Empty Hand ?
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2005, 02:28:36 AM »

as the hock would say...use something that is avail..hey stun the bastard with your feet...spit anything check his timing of the attack..then boldly go in capture the knive...beat the shit out of the sunofabitch
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Re: Defence against a "Figure of 8 Attack" Using Empty Hand ?
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2005, 02:48:31 AM »

The five worst case knife scenarios

1- The Tight X Slasher ( Figure 8 pattern)

2-The Prison Pumper (advancing stabber with empty hand forward)

3- The 10 and 2 o'clock ice pick stabber

4- Hell! Being on the botton-side, unarmed on the ground

5- knife to throat hostage taker

In the Surviving Worst Case Scenarios seminars we try to problem solve these as best we can.

But never forget the eye attack as soon as possible. When he comes in slashing in that X or figure eight? Dodge! Sure! But as you dodge, try to stick your fingers in his eyes. This sets the stage for all the follow-ups. What once seemed impossibe?Might be possible against a blind man in pain.

Also read the 3 Myths on this forum.

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Re: Defence against a "Figure of 8 Attack" Using Empty Hand ?
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2005, 05:01:08 AM »

If you look at the attackers arm you'll notice that the hand and wrist are covering a lot of area with a lot of speed. But you'll notice that their elbow is not covering a lot of area and is moving a lot slower. With the x or figure 8 slashing the attacker is crossing his arm over his body. Not only after the initial slash but during the recovery to slash again. I go for the elbow. Not to grab it, but to pin it and drive it down thru their waist knocking them and pinning them to the ground. Be committed to driving the person back and down at the same time. If they back peddle to catch their balance, get your feet behind theirs and trip them. Start slow, use some kind of really thick mats or a mattress to keep from getting hurt. Watch that you don't knock the wind out of each other. Aim the elbow pin into the belt line, drive back and down at a 45' angle. Let me know what you find.
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Re: Defence against a "Figure of 8 Attack" Using Empty Hand ?
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2005, 08:07:37 AM »

If someone came at you with a blade slashing in a figure of 8 and you had no option of retreating how would you defend ?.

The only option we could come up with (a friend I was training with) is to move foreward and then grapple with the guys arms and lock them. Then hit him with anything and everything. Any thoughts ?



If you watch deadly people with a knife, you will find very little movement...they will be very, very still (think of a spring or trap).    Once your knife is positioned in "your" best position , there is very little reason to move the knife -- your instigation of an attack or the goblins movement.   Reposition, and try again.

In my humble opinion, I would much rather fight a person with a figure 8 attack, etc. than a person with the knife perfectly still -- 90% of the time they are out of position.

YMMV
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Re: Defence against a "Figure of 8 Attack" Using Empty Hand ?
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2005, 01:05:25 PM »

The five worst case knife scenarios

1- The Tight X Slasher ( Figure 8 pattern)

2-The Prison Pumper (advancing stabber with empty hand forward)

3- The 10 and 2 o'clock ice pick stabber

4- Hell! Being on the botton-side, unarmed on the ground

5- knife to throat hostage taker

In the Surviving Worst Case Scenarios seminars we try to problem solve these as best we can.

But never forget the eye attack as soon as possible. When he comes in slashing in that X or figure eight? Dodge! Sure! But as you dodge, try to stick your fingers in his eyes. This sets the stage for all the follow-ups. What once seemed impossibe?Might be possible against a blind man in pain.

Also read the 3 Myths on this forum.

Hock

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Re: Defence against a "Figure of 8 Attack" Using Empty Hand ?
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2005, 10:16:49 PM »

Us the old Jet Li reponse and take off your belts (sans jumping in the air like a gymnast) and smack 'em in the eyes with it.  Unless you're from Texas where miost of us can use our belt buckles the way the Spartans used the Phalanx!

I also like the spitting part the best!
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Re: Defence against a "Figure of 8 Attack" Using Empty Hand ?
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2005, 12:00:03 PM »

When I was in college in inner city Boston, a friend of mine (Ed Polliotta- I am sure he was related to Tony Soprano somehow) thwarted a meat clever attack by throwing a hot cup of coffee in the guy’s face.  He used to carry a fish bat with him and followed up by beating the sh+t out of him with the bat.  I like to implement this in training by substituting the coffee with cold water.  It’s not quite the same, but still opens numerous possibilities.

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Re: Defence against a "Figure of 8 Attack" Using Empty Hand ?
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2005, 08:39:34 PM »

When I was in college in inner city Boston, a friend of mine (Ed Polliotta- I am sure he was related to Tony Soprano somehow) thwarted a meat clever attack by throwing a hot cup of coffee in the guys face. He used to carry a fish bat with him and followed up by beating the sh+t out of him with the bat. I like to implement this in training by substituting the coffee with cold water. Its not quite the same, but still opens numerous possibilities.

Cheers

Joe


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Re: Defence against a "Figure of 8 Attack" Using Empty Hand ?
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2005, 05:33:50 AM »

Ah yes the hot coffee thing, I remember you telling me about this one Joe.

My mother makes a very potent Indian curry powder. Its more 10 X more potent then madras or vindaloo curry powder.

If you get this stuff in the face its worse then pepper spray.

Hence the reason why my dad who is in his 60s now carries a some of this stuff in his pocket, when he goes on his early morning walks. Any mugger who gets this stuff in the face will be whimpering.

What out you muggers, dont mess with us indians..

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Re: Defence against a "Figure of 8 Attack" Using Empty Hand ?
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2005, 12:25:33 PM »

MMMMMMMMMMM...Curry ;D
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Re: Defence against a "Figure of 8 Attack" Using Empty Hand ?
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2009, 08:11:45 AM »

Pepper spray is not a bad dlivery system.

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