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chfroehlich

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Re: Kokkar
« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2007, 04:03:00 AM »

An how about having a permission for displaying the patches of different units on his webpage??

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Re: Kokkar
« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2007, 08:04:32 AM »

Anyone can ask any company is they an use their logo/patch, maybe as a link?

But notice on the Koklar webpage there is no link.

But, didn't this Raf go shoot at this Ohio gun range? Take a course there? Then that alone may be enough for the compnay to let them use a logo. In which case they company probably said said, "Sure, use the logo." To them it appears to be good advertising, and no big deal. These are respectable people, probably very use to dealing with respectable people.

Now, I am also getting emails from German police over this. Since I will see them next October in the Police Judo seminar? I guess I will ask NASTA.

Also, the use of the FLETC patch, the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center Patch is a big, generic nothing. That is like using US Army basic patch. There is no one one ARMY or FLETC office that lets anyone offiicially use the patch. I mean to say, the organzation is HUGE. FLETC has sereral, huge  training centers around the USA. No one cares to get them in trouble for using such a generic patch.

I have met the FLETC head training director in Georgia, but I hate to bother him because use of this patch is a real joke and just, I think, misleading marketing tool to trick German people. I would not dream up a way to contact just one person in this huge organization of FLETC and ask permission
to use their logo. And even expect a real answer. It is huge.

They sell that FLETC patch in stores. If you have ever trained at one of there centers you can buy one in their souveneer shop. A ball cap and T-shirt too. Maybe even buy one on the internet. FLETC trains thousands and thousands and thousands of officers a year in small, medium and long term courses.
   
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Re: Kokkar
« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2007, 06:02:12 PM »

This is From NASTA, whom inspected the KOKLAR webpage in question upon my request...and their reply to me.

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Hock,
While we have trained some German Police and Special Forces Personnel, none of them are NASTA Instructors.  Additionally, none of the German personnel that we have been involved with have the name of Reich.

James J. Scanlon
North American SWAT Training Association
nasta@netwalk.com
www.nasta.ws

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Re: Kokkar
« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2007, 05:32:20 AM »

What does the sentence in German say at the top of that page?

(Yes, that is nothing more than a patch collection to fool viewers)

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Re: Kokkar
« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2007, 05:39:29 AM »

The translation is:

These Institutions and    authorities use the system KOKKAR sucessfully.

And he claims to have US Goverment permission to display this patches on his webpage.
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Re: Kokkar
« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2007, 06:08:22 AM »

Utter Bullshit.
Again, there is no one person or government office where someone would grant permission to use these patches.

Each patch represents many different headquarters, (many aviation? Pilots?) all over the USA. It would be a huge task to even find the one person, in one office that would even bother to "give sych persmission." Least of all check with all of them.

This is being done by a the "international, martial arts con-man, liar" who is hoping no one can possible check this out in a foreign country. Since no one can really go around and "get permission," on all these places, then no one find the permission giver and his con gets to work.

BUT!  You already know that NASTA doesn't even know who this guy is?

This is just a patch collection of a bullshit liar. I woud go so far as to say that this is not even this guy's collection, but ripped off from someone else, possibly someone in American law enforcement Aviation. Maybe even from a webpage.

Feel free to translate and print these talk forum entries here over there.  Invite this guy on to clear his name too.

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Re: Kokkar
« Reply #21 on: September 11, 2007, 08:13:32 AM »

No one needs anyones permission,especially not US Government permission, to run a series of Patches.
Show me letters of appreciation from Unit heads on Unit Stationary,stating that they only use this Great Method of Close combat,not patches.

What does it take to claim training a unit?
So many today train a guy,one person, from a unit like the FBI,CIA ,Special Forces,SEALs and they then make public claims they train units,lol.

Former Police Commisioner Bernard Kerik made a claim in a Book that he trained Special Forces in H2H at Ft Bragg.
I had opportunity to meet him and I asked him and he said  he had been an assistant instructor at a Martial arts school just outside of Ft Bragg,NC, and that they had members of Special Forces in the Classes.
Big Difference to me in the meaning of the statements,but not to him nor many like him.

I took the Instructors course under Jim Wagner,the materials were basic and usable,his claims when you talk to him are GREATLY exaggerated,to the uninformed the claims are impressionable and a reason for them to hold the training as presenting Great skills.

Train with people for knowledge growth,not for the stories they tell.

It has been demonstrated that Ralf could not have been on LAPD SWAT just from the timeline of Dates he provided.
Hock has posted a letter saying he,Ralf, is not affiliated with NASTA.

Ralf has been shown to have exaggerated his claims,but many ,many,others do the same thing.
If the Materials were so good,so secret and so useful to the units depicted by use of the patches,the guy would not have time to teach civilians as he would be contracted to be teaching US government agencies and military.

Who cares to verify every patch this guy put up on his page.
He needs NO Permission to post them,he makes no claim to them only LAPD SWAT and Special Operations (he has a SEAL Trident up but nothing from LAPD SWAT) and he has been shown to not have been able to be a member of LAPD SWAT with 1 year claim to service.
One does not enter the LAPD as a member of SWAT.
Also how does he fill his requirements as a Reserve Officer every month? lol

If people think his materials are good try them.

If his claims are a factor in a decision to train with him,then he has been proven to have exaggerated such claims
but
perhaps some may gain something from what he teaches,it depends on what they are looking for and their past experiences.

Forget the Sales Pitches,look at the Materials, look at the feed back from those who have taken the course/s.

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Re: Kokkar
« Reply #22 on: September 11, 2007, 08:22:42 AM »

He invited me to his seminar for free.
He said he's curious how the "Units" will respond to my person. ;D

Unfortunately I'm teaching at this weekend myself.

He bragged that every Kokkar Instructor is on Active Duty.
Well, he is an Kokkar Instructor, but his profession is piercing.

Isn't that funny??

Christof

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Re: Kokkar
« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2007, 02:39:55 AM »

News about the German Kokkar Guy Ralf Reich

A germany-born Sergeant with the Department of Corrections contacted NASTA again!!

Here is the answer:

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Sergeant G...,


The short answer is; I have no idea who these guys are! There is a German group that has been advertising with a NASTA logo. They have no association with us at all. I attempted to access some of the KOKKAR web sites, but most of them have been discontinued.



If you have any more information or emails messages from this group, or names of individuals in this group, I would like to see it. They are obviously presenting themselves fraudulently.



Thanks,

Jim Scanlon



James J. Scanlon

North American SWAT Training Association

nasta@netwalk.com

www.nasta.ws


And the Message to the Kokkar guys

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Gentlemen,

This is a message that we sent to the individuals who are using our logo
fraudulently. Hopefully, this will put an end to their misrepresentation.

James J. Scanlon

North American SWAT Training Association





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From: NASTA [mailto:nasta@netwalk.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 9:13 PM
To: ranbandini@aol.com
Cc: nasta@netwalk.com
Subject: [SPAM] NASTA Logo



Sir/Madame,

Stop using the NASTA logo immediately. You do not have any affiliation with
the North American SWAT Training Association (NASTA). You are fraudulently
misrepresenting yourself and your company. Stop using our name and our
registered trade mark immediately. If you do not stop by September 25,
2007 we will be forced to seek legal advice.

:: KOKKAR COMBAT ::

David R. Wood (Owner)
nasta@netwalk.com

Believe it or not, they took of ALMOST everything related to NASTA, except the NASTA-Patch on their Reference-Page
http://www.kokkar.de/menu/referenzen.htm
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Re: Kokkar
« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2007, 12:52:25 PM »

I am in Germany now and for an update on this?

Mr Falsey-Pants has taken all his stuff down, but not after claiming he was a reserve LA SWAT officer. Lots of commutes back and forth from from Germany to Los Angeles to fufill Reverse requirments (and that little rule of California residency) I guess!

WHAT a putz!

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Re: Kokkar
« Reply #25 on: April 18, 2009, 09:14:48 AM »

Just last week (April, 2009) so sadly, some guy in Los Angeles area emailed me asking about my courses, and also, how could he get in touch with Kokkar -the group that teaches all the Los Angles and California SWAT teams.

The bullshit...never ends...

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Re: Kokkar
« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2010, 09:32:06 PM »

Remember the lesson of...KOKKARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

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Re: Kokkar
« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2010, 11:09:29 PM »

2007? Time flies on the net,,,,,,,,,,
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