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Terrain Dictates Tactics-what have you found that works the best for you?

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shastana:
OK, I am asking folks to divulge their knowledge for us to discuss what works best for them in terrain/situations you normally don't train in.  Most of us have great UC tactics that work really well in flat and solid terrain, but what about those times when good old earth is just plain difficult?  Have you trained in water, deep mud, snow or very steep terrain?  What about inside a car or theater while sitting?  Basically, non-UFC type terrain conditions that people can find themselves in at any time.  Now how does the TKD kicks and BJJ grappling work for you if at all?  If you train in these environments or think along these lines, I'd like to hear from you! 

So the question goes out.....what types of unarmed tactics work well for you in the following "movement restrictive" conditions:

1-water, shallow (standing in waist deep) to treading water-scenarios including shoreline and surf pounding to underwater confontations to murky mud slops
2-sitting in a car or theater or passenger airlines with little or no movement potential
3-standing in a very small boat
4-standing in deep snow up to your nuts
5-standing on very steep terrain like a hillside
6-inside a small closet, standing room only
7-insert your own terrain ideas here

Kentbob:

--- Quote from: jlcpacific on September 20, 2007, 03:23:29 PM ---OK, I am asking folks to divulge their knowledge for us to discuss what works best for them in terrain/situations you normally don't train in.  Most of us have great UC tactics that work really well in flat and solid terrain, but what about those times when good old earth is just plain difficult?  Have you trained in water, deep mud, snow or very steep terrain?  What about inside a car or theater while sitting?  Basically, non-UFC type terrain conditions that people can find themselves in at any time.  Now how does the TKD kicks and BJJ grappling work for you if at all?  If you train in these environments or think along these lines, I'd like to hear from you! 

So the question goes out.....what types of unarmed tactics work well for you in the following "movement restrictive" conditions:

1-water, shallow (standing in waist deep) to treading water-scenarios including shoreline and surf pounding to underwater confontations to murky mud slops
2-sitting in a car or theater or passenger airlines with little or no movement potential
3-standing in a very small boat
4-standing in deep snow up to your nuts
5-standing on very steep terrain like a hillside
6-inside a small closet, standing room only
7-insert your own terrain ideas here


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1)  I am a decent swimmer, but in waist deep I tend to stay rooted and stiff-arm the rush, and push the other person's head under.  If you move, it takes too long to get your balance back.    When treading water, I move side to side, and grab the person as they go past, again, pushing their head underwater. 
2) Invading hands, eye attacks, elbows, rakes, hammerfists, and forearm/elbow smashes.  Also, use the natural barriers around, like walls, seats, windows.  A seat won't do any real damage, but the impact can be enough to rattle someone.
3)Never been there, never done that.
4) Again, I tend not to move very much, because it takes so long.  Stiff-arm the bad guys, and let them come to me. 
5) Hillside, usually try to maneuver the person into whatever obstacle may be around, tree, rock, whatever.  If I'm on the downslope, I my best to trap and trip their legs, or press them really hard, to make them trip, or maneuver my way to the upslope.  Mostly hand techniques, balance gets tricky on a hill.
6) Once again, elbows, knees, eye gouges, rakes, fishhooks, forearm, and lots of invading hands.  Walls are handy, by all means, bash a bad guys head into one a few times, see if they don't loosen up.  Grab the hair, it makes an excellent handle.  Grab the nuts, too. 
7) Ice.  Ice sucks.  Get off the ice as soon as possible. Until then, stay low, and don't make any sudden movements.  Kicks are right out on the ice.



Kent

JimH:
I have trained in water and underwater(scuba school),sitting in a car,standing in snow,(up to knees or slightly over,not up to groin),standing on a hill (upside and downside),on ice,in an aircraft ,in a train and in a bus.

The majority,99 percent, used closing the gap,if the conflict was not already close  and close in stand up hand work,be it from boxing,wing chun,karate or stand up Jujitsu type fighting.
The only tme you could throw a kick ,with power ,is when you are on the upside/up slope on a hill then you get one kick and the terrain is equal as you are at the same level or you are at disadvantage on the downside.
Knee deep water ,you can use sweeps and throws,over knee deep and you have to go to hands.

mleone:
Enviorment has always been a variable, but some enviorments offer improvised objects such as Asphalt, Sand/Dirt Rocks and other natural objects.

Enviorments has always been a variable. So is weather...

Snow and Ice create bad balance. Those Tae Kwon do kicks you thought you could do in the Dojo?
Most reality people know this.. It cant be done in certain areas.

The situation dictates the response but so does enviorment. Weather gives you some options or takes them away.

This why in the summer and different seasons, you can hold 1 outside class per month or every new season. We do the beach with stick work and other concepts.

But you can hold 1 outside class once and a while. Do combat scenarios in the rain.


You have to be creative.

JimH:
In 1970-1974 I trained with some hard core REALISTIC nut job instructors in NYC ,we trained in and on any terrain available:
the Beach,in the snow,on ice,in the rain,in the street,in buildings,in elevators,in cars,trucks,buses,trains and in phone boxes with sliding closing doors.

The only thing that limits where you can train is you and your partners.

The way to find what works and what is doable is to try it all.

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