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Machete
« on: November 19, 2007, 06:24:19 AM »

 
  I have been a big fan of the Machete since as long as I can remember. Its such a simple yet powerful tool at home in the jungle, backyard, or just anywhere you need a inexpensive   defense other than a firearm. Hopefully some more Machete fans are in the crowd.


  I just got this story today and thought there might be some interest in it, I would love to be in the courtroom if this guy gos to trial!



FM mother uses machete against robber
By Amy Sowder
asowder@news-press.com
Originally posted on November 15, 2007

A mother defended her three small children by hitting a robber with a machete early this morning in Fort Myers, according to the Fort Myers Police Department.

At 1:31 a.m., police received a call after a man kicked the door open of a home at 3830 DeSoto Ave.

Police believe the man was Keionway A. Hunt, 20, of 4099 Ballard Ave. Hunt was charged with felony robbery home invasion.


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Streams of blood were dry on the side of the house where a man tried to escape during a botched home-invasion robbery early Thursday morning, according to the Fort Myers Police Department.
According to the arrest report:

After grabbing two gold chains and demanding cash, Hunt headed to the back bedroom, where three children younger than 10 were sleeping.

That's when the children's mother, Anna Jimenez, 38, intervened.

"The mother, fearing for her children's safety, struck him in the right arm with a machete, causing serious injury," said Det. Sgt. Michael Masiero.

Four adults home at the time struggled to restrain Hunt from leaving the home while one of them called 911. They pulled his pants down.

When police arrived, Hunt was trying to climb out the window, and the residents were holding him back in, Masiero said.

Streams of blood were dry on the side of the house where Hunt tried to escape. Shards of glass littered the grass below the window.

As Hunt was arrested, he denied trying to invade the home or rob the people. Officers found two gold chains Hunt was hiding under his shirt as they arrested him.

Hunt was treated at Lee Memorial Hospital for his injuries and is in the Lee County Jail, according to Masiero and the Lee County Sheriff's booking log.

Hunt has several dwelling and vehicle burglary charges in the past five years, according to the log. The first record was on July 28, 2002, when Hunt was 14.

The residents, especially the mother, did the right thing, Masiero said.

"We want to help as much as we can and be there for (people), but there are times when (people) have to take action," he said. "Defending your family and defending your property is absolutely the right thing to do." 




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Re: Machete
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2007, 08:44:40 AM »


GOOD FOR MOM!   






This is a GREAT Cold Steel Machete!
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Re: Machete
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2007, 07:16:12 PM »

Glad to hear someone say that the family did the right thing by defending themselves and their home.  Funny that they pulled the guys pants down as he tried to get "out" of the house he was breaking into.
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Re: Machete
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2007, 09:24:05 PM »



Machete Attack in Denton, 20 November, 2007.



600 block of North Bradshaw Street ó Police are trying to determine the exact circumstances surrounding a fight Sat≠urday evening that left a man with a large gash on his head.

A man called 911 from the intersection of Crawford and McKinney streets about 6:35 p.m. He said he was riding a bicycle and noticed a man stumbling down the street bleeding heavily from a cut on his head.

Officers were able to talk to the injured man before he was taken by helicopter to a Dallas-Fort Worth-area hospital, and he told them another man hit him with a baseball bat and tried to take his wallet, according to the police report.

Officers followed a blood trail back to a house, where they saw blood on the door. A man inside the house said his former roommate brought the man to his house, and that the man was intoxicated. He said the man became belligerent, and rushed at him. He pushed him down, the resident said, and ran inside the house and retrieved a baseball bat.

He said the man tried to come inside and he hit him with the bat. Then the two began fighting on the floor inside the house and he hit him again.

The man inside the house didnít appear bloody. The officers asked about that and he told them he threw the bloody shirt away. They found it in a trashcan wrapped around a machete.

The man said he hit the other man with the machete the first time, and then used the baseball bat, according to the police report.



  Weird story, I guess the machete was close by and he had second thoughts after the first cut? It will be interesting to see how this goes down in court, that is if it will be some kind of self defense or if there will be attempted murder charges brought. Maybe someone can contact the prosecutors office and ask about it?
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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2007, 09:38:12 PM »

This one went down the drain with Camilus

Becker: Patrol Machete
Item: BK-BK6



      
Status:  Discontinued, no longer available.


Product Description:
About 10 years ago, I got to spend an afternoon with a Filipino Parang. I loved it! The PATROL MACHETE is a reincarnation of that: great steel, full height ground, and a fine aggressive edge that bites deep but resists sticking. From kudzu and honeysuckle vine, to bamboo and 5\" hardwood trees, the PATROL MACHETE really does it all.

At slightly less than 18 ounces the BK&T PATROL MACHETE serves well as a drawknife, a froe, and it\'s even balanced well enough to whittle in an emergency. WOW! Of all the tools I have designed this is the one I want if I gotta start civilization from scratch. Your pack, pickup, SUV, and especially your ATV wants one of these. If you are a surveyor, farmer, forestor, warrior, or primitive, this is YOUR tool.

Features: devastating cutting power proven in the worlds most challenging environments.Each flat ground blade features an incredibly sharp blade and the most comfortable hard-use knife handle in the world.
# Exclusive high carbon steel (0170-6C)
# 58-59 RC blade hardness
# Black epoxy coating
# Becker trademark GV6H ergonomic handles
# Proudly made in the U.S.A.

Specifications:
Blade Length:    14 in.
Blade Steel:    High carbon steel (0170-6C)
Knife Type:    Fixed Blade
Length Overall:    19 in.
Manufactured:    Made in USA
Weight:    17.8 oz.




About Becker
The Becker Knife and Tool Company has been at the forefront of hard use survival knives and tools since 1980. Chief designer and founder Ethan Becker, an avid outdoorsman since his youth, spent 25 years searching for the ideal "big knife" and eventually merged his two favorite bush blades - a Kukri and a WWII survival bolo - to make his first and most famous edged tool the "Machax". Ethan Becker was not content to rest after developing the Machax, and in conjunction with cutlery and survival experts worldwide has completed the development of the next generation of Becker knives for the new Millennium.

In 1999, the Becker Knife and Tool Company was acquired by Camillus Cutlery Company. For those who recall a few years back, Becker Knife and Tool produced very stout field grade fixed blades with such names and the Brute, Machax, Campanion, and the Jerry Fisk Magnum Camp Knife. They even added the Patrol Machete - a 14 inch recurved machete for serious work, and the Combat/Utility 7, a USMC Marine Combat inspired design equally at home for armed forces as it is on the camp site. All the knives in the Becker line are very well made and are strong as an ox. For fans of heavy use fixed blades, there is something in the Becker Knife and Tool line for everyone.

Since 1876, Camillus Cutlery Company has been providing the finest in edged tools from pocket knives to contract military weapons and bayonets. Camillus is committed to industry's growing needs with such offerings as Camillus traditional cutlery, Western brand knives, CUDA (Camillus Ultra Design Advantage) cutting edge products, and now Becker Knife and Tool.

In addition to refining these advanced designs, 0170-6 high carbon tool steel has been specially selected to give the Becker Knife and Tool line clear superiority in the edge-holding and toughness departments among its chief competitors. The ergonomic, trademark handle scales of the Becker Knife and Tool knives are molded of Swiss GV6H, a 60% glass filled thermoplastic polymer alloy for the ultimate in strength and durability. Kydex multi-carry sheath systems and a rugged black epoxy finish will be standard equipment for all models in the Becker Knife and Tool line.

Becker Knife and Tool, in conjunction with Camillus Cutlery Co., is committed to bringing the finest tactical and survival fixed blades of uncompromising quality and performance to cutlery enthusiasts and outdoor professionals at an affordable price.
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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2007, 09:45:04 PM »

Ka-Bar 1248 Black Cutlass Machete, Tactical Fixed Blade Knife





Specification:

Weight: 1.12 lbs.
Lock Style: N/A
Length: Blade length 11"
Overall length 16 1/2"
Grind: Hollow
Shape: Cutlass
Handle Material: Kraton G
Stamp: Taiwan
HRC: 52-54
Edge Angle: 20 Degrees
Butt Cap /Guard: N/A
Steel: 1085 Carbon
Country of Manufacture: Made in Taiwan
Pocket Clip: N/A
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Re: Machete
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2007, 09:50:31 PM »




Collins Machetes and Bowies: 1845 - 1965, by Henry, Daniel Edward. 226 Pages. Softbound. Machetes. Nothing really comes to mind when I think of them, and that's because not a lot of information is available about them - until now. Collins Machetes and Bowies 1845-1965 brings to light an intriguing subject that hasn't been given enough attention. The book includes anything you need to know - it starts with the fascinating history of the Collins company and gives general information about machetes, but its main focus is on the actual Collins Machete models. Noted Collins collector and author Daniel Edward Henry also strives to correct many of the gross errors that have made their way into the folklore surrounding some of the Collins machete models. This book is going to prove an invaluable reference for fellow Collins collectors, machete enthusiasts, antique dealers, as well as anyone interested in hearing the fascinating story of the Collins Company.
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« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2007, 06:20:16 AM »

 Interesting article from 4 Oct. 2007, Note the author contacted Barteaux Inc. a machete maker for comment, included a Guatemalan gang who likes fishing, and even got Walmart in on the deal.


43-Year-Old Hughesville Man Charged in Machete Attack
Men's Injuries Are Not Life-Threatening; Use of Knife as Assault Weapon Is Rare

By Dan Morse
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, October 4, 2007; Page SM03

A 43-year-old Hughesville man was being held in the Charles County jail Tuesday, charged with attacking two people with a machete. It was the second time within four months that Charles officers have come across the long knives that otherwise have a multitude of commercial uses ranging from clearing undergrowth to butchering whales.

The events leading to the Hughesville man's arrest centered on a small-scale conflict. About 10:30 p.m. Sunday, according to the Charles County Sheriff's Office, Jeffrey L. Stone was inside his home with three other people, at least two of whom lived with him, according to an arrest affidavit signed by a Charles officer.

Stone became involved in an argument, went into a bedroom, came out with an approximately 36-inch machete and ran toward another man. He struck that man once on the head and hand, according to Charles authorities.

During the struggle, he also struck another man on the hand and then ran from the house, according to authorities. Both men who were hit received non-life-threatening injuries.

When two Charles officers arrived, Stone ran toward them and "refused to show the officers his hands," according to the sheriff's office.

One of the officers used a Taser device to immobilize him, after which Stone was arrested without further incident. Charles authorities charged Stone with first-degree assault.

Charles County officers rarely come across machete attacks. This appeared to be someone simply grabbing a nearby weapon of convenience, a spokeswoman for the sheriff's office said. Such convenient weaponry in the past has involved scissors or broken bottles, she said. In Stone's arrest, it was unclear who owned the machete or why it was in the house.
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"The machete is a standard tool around the world," said Howard Korn, founder and owner of College Park-based KnifeCenter Inc., which earlier this week had more than 45 machetes listed on its Web site.

Machetes often are used to clear through jungles or harvest crops. They're popular in tropical climates, Korn said.

The U.S. government uses them, said Neil Marks, owner of Barteaux Inc., a machete maker in Portland, Ore.

"We were making the 26-incher," he said by phone, adding that that model was used by the U.S. military to clear vegetation along the Euphrates River.

Machetes recently have been associated with assaults among gang members, but authorities made no such connection in Stone's arrest.

On June 22, officers from Charles and surrounding areas swooped in on Rock Point beach, where they suspected members of the Latin gang MS-13 were hanging out. The officers eventually arrested eight men on trespassing charges, four of whom they suspected were MS-13 members.

None of the eight was a resident of Charles. They told police they'd come to Rock Point in part because they'd heard the fishing was good.

One thing they brought with them certainly raised officers' eyebrows: a machete.

In early 2005, a 25-year-old man lost three fingers when he was assaulted by a machete-wielding MS-13 member outside a Fairfax County movie theater.

Authorities have said the gang members use machetes for intimidation. But even the presence of a machete can swing different ways. Experts on MS-13 say machetes can be simply a cultural symbol of El Salvador. The one in the June incident may have been used to clear a fishing spot, for example. Charles authorities did not confiscate that machete.

The commonness of the machete can be seen in how easy they are to buy. This week, Walmart.com offered three sizes: 12-inch, 18-inch and 22-inch. "This tool is helpful whether you're deep in the woods at your hunting camp, or simply in your own backyard," the store's Web site said.
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Re: Machete
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2007, 06:28:14 AM »



Just for the Professor!


CS97BA18S
   
Cold Steel Barong Machete w/18" Carbon Blade and Polypropylene Handle
Part Number: CS97BA18S
Manufacturer: COLD STEEL
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CS97BA18S: Barong Machete

The Barong, with its unique leaf shaped blade, is common throughout all of Southeast Asia. Very often it is used for utilitarian purposes to clear jungles or as an agricultural tool, but it is also known as a savagely effective weapon of warfare.

Specifications

18" Model
Weight: 23.3 oz.
Thickness: 3mm
Handle: 5 5/8"
Overall: 23 5/8"
Handle: Polypropylene handles

http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=CS97BA18S
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Re: Machete
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2007, 06:31:07 AM »



  How about this Kopis?


CS97KP18S   
Cold Steel Kopis Machete with 18" Blade and Polypropylene Handle
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CS97KP18S: Kopis Machete

The Kopis Machete is based on an ancient short sword design that was held in high esteem by the Greeks, Romans, and Spaniards. This was because its uniquely shaped blade had the weight forward balance that was necessary for cutting and chopping, yet it retained a sharp, useful point for thrusting as well.

Specifications:
Weight: 20.8 oz.
Blade Thick: 3mm
Blade Length: 18"
Handle: 5 5/8" long. Polypropylene
Steel: 1055 Carbon Steel w/ Black Baked on Anti Rust Matte Finish
Sheath: Black Cordura
Overall Length: 23 5/8"
Polypropylene handle

http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=CS97KP18S

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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2007, 06:56:33 AM »

  All things considered its hard to beat a Ontario, They are made of 1095 steel in America versus the Cold Steel at 1055 in who knows where, overall its very interesting to dig around into the subject.


    
Ontario Economical and High Quality 12" Machete - USA Made!
Part Number: ONLC12
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ON-LC12 Low Cost Machete Made in the USA! This is a great value!
The Shatterproof blade is 12" long (0.080" thick), made of 1095 carbon steel, with zinc phosphate coating. Thong hole on handle end. Overall length is 17-1/4"
Forget cheap, offshore imports of less-than-desirable quality! Now you can get performance, rugged reliability and an affordable price in a machete made in the USA!

http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=ONLC12





Ontario Military Issue Machete 18" Blade
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ON-18 MILITARY ISSUE
The Shatterproof blade is 18" long, made of 1095 carbon steel, .125" thick, treated with black oxide coating. Handle is flame resistant thermalset plastic with 3 steel compression rivets. Thong hole on handle end. Overall length is 23-1/2"
NSN 5110-00-813-1286

http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=ON18
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« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2007, 08:50:05 AM »

I've got a very old machete my uncle had in the Korean war. I'm not sure what the steel is, but it is a very high quality, hard steel. Better than anything else I have seen to date. I can't find a manufacturer's name on it, just some model numbers, and I can't even read all of them. I plan on getting one made by Ontario just to have as a spare.

I was going to post about the propensity of MS-13 to use machetes, but Bryan beat me to it. Apparently, there have been many machete attacks by MS-13 in N. VA in particular, and machetes seem to be their preference.
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« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2007, 04:39:15 PM »

I've handled this one and can make it do wicked things.   



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« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2007, 05:17:51 PM »

I like the blade shape of those, professor, especially the smaller one. It would make a good car blade.
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« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2007, 07:03:35 PM »

I've got a very old machete my uncle had in the Korean war. I'm not sure what the steel is, but it is a very high quality, hard steel. Better than anything else I have seen to date. I can't find a manufacturer's name on it, just some model numbers, and I can't even read all of them. I plan on getting one made by Ontario just to have as a spare.

I was going to post about the propensity of MS-13 to use machetes, but Bryan beat me to it. Apparently, there have been many machete attacks by MS-13 in N. VA in particular, and machetes seem to be their preference.

  As far as gangs go, Machetes are available, inexspensive, disposable, explainable, and highly functional. Rumors abound about the influx of Machetes into Africa before the last big killing spree over there, I would like to see some documents about the matter.

 
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« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2007, 08:34:48 PM »

I've handled this one and can make it do wicked things.   



  Professor, While the Barong Machete is a deal for 20 bucks it gets into the grey area of whether it is a Barong trying to be a Machete, or a Machete trying to be a Barong. For sure its a good marketing ploy and most people will never use it in such a way that pushes it beyond its limitations, I will try to get into those limits here but I have for the record never tested one of these products but I am familiar with Machetes and steel.

  First things first, The Machete was never imagined as a thrusting weapon but as a very fast slicing or hacking weapon where the Barong was and always has been primarily a thrusting weapon that was good at hacking. Where the Machete has been stamped out as a field tool for years the Barong was a proper sword. The Machete was always lighter and more flexible verses the Barong being heavier and stiffer with a pronounced top line or heavier spine making it capable of powerful thrusts that a light Machete would never be capable of achieving without bending or possibly breaking.

  One of the other things that it lacks as a proper thrusting weapon is a decent guard. If you asked police all over the world about knife attacks they will tell you a good many of those who do the attacking cut themselves, many of these cuts are from using kitchen knives and other guardless knives for thrusting attacks which allows the hand to slip onto the edge of the weapon.

  But here lies the real issue of making a machete into a thrusting weapon, the steel. The reality is 1055 Carbon Steel at a thickness of 3MM should never be used in a thrusting weapon longer the say 6 inches and considered a functional sword capable of deep penetration, It just goes against every protocol in knife/sword design. In a hacking weapon the strength lay in the  length, width, and heavy end thus the clip point Machetes made by many who wish for a point. The most documented case for this would be the collaboration Machete between Worden and Ontario, he wanted some point for thrusting so he kept it short and simple limiting the penetration but left enough width at the end for heavy chopping or hacking. He overcame the missing guard by simply not sharpening the edge beyond the grip and even added a second grip for more power and control. While I don't see myself buying the Worden Ontario Machete for personal use I do applaud him and Ontario for making the weapon/tool and the concept was great, I just believe the Machete has limitations and going beyond those makes it a sword.

  I would like one of the Worden Ontario's to keep as a collectible, A Machete collection might be the biggest bang for the buck in the knife world. The Worden being the most expensive at around 69 bucks, thats a heck of a value compared to a 5,000 dollar folding knife.


  P.S. Professor, If you want a proper Barong PM me and I will put you in contact with a Bladesmith in the Philippines.
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« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2007, 01:38:18 AM »

I've always considered a barong as more of a chopper than a stabber.  Sometimes they are used as tools like bolos, though that would be more expensive than just using a bolo.  There are bolos with barong-shaped blades and these would be thicker than barong-shaped machetes, but I've not seen them for sale anywhere online.

I don't know if it is still going on but when my relatives were in the Philippines they could not bring back bolos they bought in Zamboanga in their check-in luggage.  I asked around online and there was some new law keeping large blades from being shipped out of Mindanao.  Other regions seemed to be OK. 

Here are a few online sources for barongs:

http://www.valiantco.com/philippines.html

http://www.traditionalfilipinoweapons.com/

https://www.kriscutlery.com/documents/philippine.html

http://www.knifeoutlet.com/shop/10Expand.asp?ProductCode=CS88PB

http://www.swordsoftheeast.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=109

http://www.amobhitman.com/customer/product.php?productid=4944

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« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2007, 06:20:00 AM »

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First things first, The Machete was never imagined as a thrusting weapon but as a very fast slicing or hacking weapon where the Barong was and always has been primarily a thrusting weapon that was good at hacking. Where the Machete has been stamped out as a field tool for years the Barong was a proper sword.



Bryan,

I think you have this sentence mixed up.  A barong is a hacking weapons, not designed for thrusting.   The blade dynamics certainly aren't made for thrusting.....loping of limbs, yes.

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« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2007, 07:56:10 AM »

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First things first, The Machete was never imagined as a thrusting weapon but as a very fast slicing or hacking weapon where the Barong was and always has been primarily a thrusting weapon that was good at hacking. Where the Machete has been stamped out as a field tool for years the Barong was a proper sword.



Bryan,

I think you have this sentence mixed up.  A barong is a hacking weapons, not designed for thrusting.   The blade dynamics certainly aren't made for thrusting.....loping of limbs, yes.



  No mix up, but it is a arguable point. The basis of my argument here is that the Barong is very sharp and not weighted at the point. If it were primarily a cutting or hacking weapon it would be heavier on the working end, it will go either way when forged but 3mm 1055 steel does not add up for a good thrusting weapon. I dont believe you will find any Barongs made that way either thus the Machete/Barong and 20 dollar price tag.

  Benjimen, I dont go for the commercial stuff as a rule, when I mentioned contacting a Filipino Bladesmith I was thinking of Paolo Abrera, you can see a piece of his work here on a interview about him. If you guys need to contact him to make a knife just let me know and I will have him get in touch with you as we have a mutual friend.

http://www.arscives.com/bladesign/texturedbowie.htm
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Re: Machete
« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2007, 06:59:49 AM »

Would You Hit Someone with a Machete If They Broke Into Your House?

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Posted Dec 6th 2007 3:03PM by Cenk Uygur
Filed under: Young Turks, Crime, Video
Yesterday on the show (actually in our more uninhibited post-game show) we were talking about how Sean Taylor, the Redskins player who was killed by a robber last week, had a machete by his bed in case intruders broke in.

I was on the side of not having a machete. And if you do have it, of not swinging it without asking questions. Wes Clark, Jr. (he is General Clark's son, he is a former Army captain and co-hosts with me on Wednesdays) and Jayar (our producer) were on the opposite side. They said swing first, ask questions later.




http://news.aol.com/newsbloggers/2007/12/06/would-you-hit-someone-with-a-machete-if-they-broke-into-your-hou/
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Re: Machete
« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2007, 07:12:35 AM »

Police reports suggest that early Monday morning, four men broke into Taylorís house for a burglary, surprising Taylor in his bedroom. He grabbed the machete that he keeps under his bed for protection, but he was too late. Shots were fired, and one landed in Taylorís femoral artery. Fortunately, his girlfriend and 18-month-old daughter were not injured. Taylor suffered copious amounts of blood loss and never regained consciousness. He died early Tuesday.







"[Taylor's former lawyer] said Taylor's girlfriend told him the couple was awakened by loud noises, and Taylor grabbed a machete he keeps in the bedroom for protection. Someone then broke through the door and fired two shots ... one hitting Taylor."

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Re: Machete
« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2007, 01:26:52 PM »

I read a post on another forum using this incident as an example of why knives are useless as weapons, but the story I posted on the store owner from Jamaica had the opposite outcome, where the guy with the machete beat the gunman who even fired first.

I don't know exactly what happened in this case, but if the guy with the machete brandishes it rather than using it the odds are against him.  People use the Indiana Jones example all the time when arguing against knives, not realizing that the swordsman was brandishing and showing off rather than attacking.  It is also true that if someone attacks first and by surprise the weapon doesn't matter all that much.
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« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2007, 01:57:32 PM »

The brain and the will are the weapon, not the implement itself. A weapon is merely an extension of the will.
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Re: Machete
« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2007, 01:12:06 AM »

I read a post on another forum using this incident as an example of why knives are useless as weapons, but the story I posted on the store owner from Jamaica had the opposite outcome, where the guy with the machete beat the gunman who even fired first.

I don't know exactly what happened in this case, but if the guy with the machete brandishes it rather than using it the odds are against him.  People use the Indiana Jones example all the time when arguing against knives, not realizing that the swordsman was brandishing and showing off rather than attacking.  It is also true that if someone attacks first and by surprise the weapon doesn't matter all that much.

  My understanding was he was shot as he came out of the bedroom, if anyone gets any more details please post them. There are many circumstances where a knife is more deadly than a gun, this was not one of them unfortunately for the young football star.
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Re: Machete
« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2008, 08:52:04 AM »

I am on record as being a big fan of the machete as both a tool and weapon- and have sold several to us soldiers departing for Iraq - the idea being that if one needed a blade for fighting, then it was about as big as they came, and was a tool as well, thus worth carrying for the 99 + percent of the time that they were not needed as a weapon......  and hell, thousands of africans with grudges against their tribal enemies are successfully slaughtering each other with nothing else........ and most of the caribean and south america swears by them too- and asia, ok hell, anywhere where guns are either restricted or too expensive, for the poor to own, they are the weapon of choice.......
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Re: Machete
« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2008, 10:43:09 PM »

I am on record as being a big fan of the machete as both a tool and weapon- and have sold several to us soldiers departing for Iraq - the idea being that if one needed a blade for fighting, then it was about as big as they came, and was a tool as well, thus worth carrying for the 99 + percent of the time that they were not needed as a weapon......  and hell, thousands of africans with grudges against their tribal enemies are successfully slaughtering each other with nothing else........ and most of the caribean and south america swears by them too- and asia, ok hell, anywhere where guns are either restricted or too expensive, for the poor to own, they are the weapon of choice.......

  Good Post, Glad somebody else is interested in the Machete. It is about as basic as a hardcore blade can get, cheap, and deadly.

  What kind of Machete were you selling, Ontario? Cold Steel? Other? What length were people asking for? Did you get any feedback as to how they were used?

Here in Thailand the favorite tool is basically a 10 to 14 inch machete mounted on a 18 to 24 inch stick as a handle. It makes one hell of a chopper by loading up the weight on the end.
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« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2008, 03:26:57 PM »

 commonly, I sold the cold steel pangas, double edge , and kukri and magnum kukri machetes- myself I like their panga, and used it to reclaim the backyard of a property I bought on the courthouse steps (it will soon house my brother in law and his family)- five hours of cutting small trees, and branches, and brush, and it never quit, and was resharpened on the concrete of the porch......at to soldier feedback, other than one guy who said his friend recommended one cause they would have heavy jungle along the rivers, I have not gotten any real reports.....  I know one of hocks students carried one, the double edge model, into meth lab raids cause he was the paramedic, and they would not let him carry a weapon, but a machete is a tool..... (I love missouri) to my knowledge he did not have to use it......
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« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2008, 05:30:52 PM »

BLee-although i can not forward any photos -this past week in the newspapers over here in Kuwait there have  been photos taken of the fighting in Kenya and in a  lot of them the attackers are waving machetes which the news has documented in saying they  have cut off arms/heads using them-one picture showed this attacker with the machete raised above his head . I dont know if it was posed for the camera but the weapon looked very  dangeous. As a side note there were photos also of rioters using bow and arrows plus a picture of a victim sitting in a local  hospital  with a arrow sticking in the side of  his  head.-whitewolf
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