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New Rambo Knife and Movie Knives
« on: November 23, 2007, 07:36:54 AM »

I wonder...will there be treated to the new Rambo knife with the new Rambo movie coming out?

Or, do you think that sort of fad item knife idea is over?

I see expensive gift catalogues, like the Hobbits or Potter that settle in on a theme movie and make all kinds of related items, to include some kind of knife or sword.

But the one action movie/one knife idea that floods through all the knife catalogs?

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Re: New Rambo Knife and Movie Knives
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2007, 08:00:28 AM »



 Actually Rambo is a blacksmith in the new movie, I have yet to see any knives from the movie having only viewed the trailer and seeing him forging steel. Unlike "The Hunted" he has a proper set up for forging, cant wait to see if he actually makes anything.
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Re: New Rambo Knife and Movie Knives
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2007, 10:09:15 AM »


 Unlike "The Hunted" he has a proper set up for forging, cant wait to see if he actually makes anything.

Unlike "The Hunted" he will also have a knife that you can actually use. Ever held that stupid Tom Brown "Tracker" ...er...."Spatula"?
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Re: New Rambo Knife and Movie Knives
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2007, 09:53:00 PM »


 Unlike "The Hunted" he has a proper set up for forging, cant wait to see if he actually makes anything.

Unlike "The Hunted" he will also have a knife that you can actually use. Ever held that stupid Tom Brown "Tracker" ...er...."Spatula"?

 I didn't care for the Hunted knife either, I liked the concept but it failed to reach the objectives of its design. One of the biggest failures was its spokeshave notch which anyone who has ever used a spokeshave knows it needs to be open and not closed like that. The Swedish Puukko makes a much better survival knife, it would be a better combat knife too if one puts a guard on it. Some believe camp knives don't need a guard but I like them, nothing like having a open wound far from a decent hospital.


  The overall knife design just leads me to believe Tom doesn't know half of what he says he knows, I could go on and on about the knife but it seems a waste of time.
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Re: New Rambo Knife and Movie Knives
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2007, 10:10:49 PM »


  Here it is, Rambo 4,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


In October of 2006, Sylvester Stallone contacted Gil about making a new knife for the upcoming "John Rambo" movie due to be released early 2008. Gil came up with several prototype designs over the next few months. The studio wanted a crude looking knife since according to the script Rambo would forge his own knife in a primitive foundry using materials that could be scavenged. The result was a large machete style knife with a cord wrapped handle covered with grip tape.

Gil will make 100 handmade replicas of the movie knife for sale to collectors. Pre-orders are being taken now and the knives will be delivered at a later date. You can place your order and reserve a number in our online catalog by clicking HERE.











  It is a serious work horse of a tool but pretty crude and has no "STICK" to it. I have the greatest respect for Gil and have always been a fan but he is a blade grinder not a forging expert, seems it would have been more appropriate to have someone who forges full time to design a forged knife. There are also so many blacksmiths in Thailand and so many regional designs that could have been influential to make it seem more authentic some how, but then I'm not in the movie business, who knows what those guys think?
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Re: New Rambo Knife and Movie Knives
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2007, 02:01:18 PM »

I bought 2 Bolos in Olongapo that looked just like that! Made from a lawnmower blade...or maybe a leaf spring. Great tool.

I believe in knives that you are not afraid to use. I've used my K-bar as a Pry bar before while people around me said, "Oh...I could never do that with my ________ knife. I just can't. What if it breaks?". To which I replied, "Then what good is it?"
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Re: New Rambo Knife and Movie Knives
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2007, 04:48:18 PM »

If you make a "knife" to do more than stab, slash and hack, then it is a utility or camp knife and not a combat knife.  The new Rambo knife looks like a machete, too large to do small utility chores, too big to wield as an effective close quarters knife.  If it is a poor stabber, slasher and hacker, it ain't a combat ready blade.  Put it in the kitchen drawer. 

Most of us have a favorite, which is cool.  We are all different, thank you very much.  I hate the stigma with knives, the bullshit people talk about other specialists, the hollywood garbage, and mostly the claim that a particular knife is no good.  If you learn to use it for what it was designed to do, then you might find it handy. I personally base my trust in a knife from field testing it, not someone's opinion.

Any knife edge is useful, just does it serve your needs.  If you are into primitive tools such as I, you will find that you need a variety of tools: a hacker (axe or machete), saw edge, wood carving blade (2" flat edge, draw knife, etc), skinner and hide scraping blade (rounded for caping and fleshing).  That is SIX TOOLS.  You wanna carry these around wherever you go in the backcountry if you can.  Add a shovel and your talking about 6lbs of tools, which I will gladly carry and have at all times at my camp.  BUT, if you can only carry one tool that will do all that the six edged tools, plus provide a decent knife combat usage, then the smaller Tracker comes pretty close.  That is the purpose of the Tracker, good or bad as it is reputed. BUT, it is overpriced and over-rated.  Even Tom Brown has mentioned that the knife is just another survival tool, not the end all knife. (Tom would build other tools to replace the knife, that's just the way he does things, which I generally agree is the superior solution to add longevity to any survival tool).

I would not depend on one knife, ever.  Your survival becomes more difficult if you lose it.  So, the smaller Tracker may be a good backup blade, but never to serve as a primary blade!  That should've been in the movie footnotes! But hollywood makes the knife the focus of The Hunted, pissing off all the other knife specialists of the world.  And that is warranted, thanks hollywood.  Instead, TOPS knives is raking in the cash, and people talk smack about the Tracker knife all the time. The knife shape is a bit too radical for the general public.  I personally have owned the Beck Tracker (early 90s model) and the smaller TOPS Tracker.  The smaller model is better handling and concealable.  The smaller is lighter and faster in hand, hacks better than a Kabar, but average stabber.  I give it a 7 for utility and a 5 for combat. Another knife that is "better" and much cheaper that is shaped like the Tracker is the Condor Kukri Hunter http://www.condortk.com/productsdetail.php?prodid=53

Put it this way, if you like a knife, then use it.  I personally have never found one knife to do everything that I need done.  My drop point folder does more than any other knife I own, including being a combat ready knife.  Any other knife I own takes second place to my ever ready folder.  So, find a very strong folder and field test the shit out of it, then sleep with it.  Then learn how to use a knife to make all the other tools you might need to survive. 

If you are combat knife guy, then a knife or machete might suit you. 

If you are a survival knife guy, then a utility knife might suit you.

And so on.  But if you claim that a knife just sucks and the guy who made it is a kook, then you should do your homework, understand the purpose of the tools, and decide whether you will need a tool for the purpose it was designed for.  That is the amazing thing about opinions, everybody has one, but those who do their homework can make better decisions.

Me?  Combat knife hall of famers are the SOG Dagger and Kabar next gen combat knife.  6 inches of pure raw penetraing power!  True Killers among us.
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Re: New Rambo Knife and Movie Knives
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2007, 07:34:44 PM »

If you make a "knife" to do more than stab, slash and hack, then it is a utility or camp knife and not a combat knife.  The new Rambo knife looks like a machete, too large to do small utility chores, too big to wield as an effective close quarters knife.  If it is a poor stabber, slasher and hacker, it ain't a combat ready blade.  Put it in the kitchen drawer. 

Most of us have a favorite, which is cool.  We are all different, thank you very much.  I hate the stigma with knives, the bullshit people talk about other specialists, the hollywood garbage, and mostly the claim that a particular knife is no good.  If you learn to use it for what it was designed to do, then you might find it handy. I personally base my trust in a knife from field testing it, not someone's opinion.

Any knife edge is useful, just does it serve your needs.  If you are into primitive tools such as I, you will find that you need a variety of tools: a hacker (axe or machete), saw edge, wood carving blade (2" flat edge, draw knife, etc), skinner and hide scraping blade (rounded for caping and fleshing).  That is SIX TOOLS.  You wanna carry these around wherever you go in the backcountry if you can.  Add a shovel and your talking about 6lbs of tools, which I will gladly carry and have at all times at my camp.  BUT, if you can only carry one tool that will do all that the six edged tools, plus provide a decent knife combat usage, then the smaller Tracker comes pretty close.  That is the purpose of the Tracker, good or bad as it is reputed. BUT, it is overpriced and over-rated.  Even Tom Brown has mentioned that the knife is just another survival tool, not the end all knife. (Tom would build other tools to replace the knife, that's just the way he does things, which I generally agree is the superior solution to add longevity to any survival tool).

I would not depend on one knife, ever.  Your survival becomes more difficult if you lose it.  So, the smaller Tracker may be a good backup blade, but never to serve as a primary blade!  That should've been in the movie footnotes! But hollywood makes the knife the focus of The Hunted, pissing off all the other knife specialists of the world.  And that is warranted, thanks hollywood.  Instead, TOPS knives is raking in the cash, and people talk smack about the Tracker knife all the time. The knife shape is a bit too radical for the general public.  I personally have owned the Beck Tracker (early 90s model) and the smaller TOPS Tracker.  The smaller model is better handling and concealable.  The smaller is lighter and faster in hand, hacks better than a Kabar, but average stabber.  I give it a 7 for utility and a 5 for combat. Another knife that is "better" and much cheaper that is shaped like the Tracker is the Condor Kukri Hunter http://www.condortk.com/productsdetail.php?prodid=53

Put it this way, if you like a knife, then use it.  I personally have never found one knife to do everything that I need done.  My drop point folder does more than any other knife I own, including being a combat ready knife.  Any other knife I own takes second place to my ever ready folder.  So, find a very strong folder and field test the shit out of it, then sleep with it.  Then learn how to use a knife to make all the other tools you might need to survive. 

If you are combat knife guy, then a knife or machete might suit you. 

If you are a survival knife guy, then a utility knife might suit you.

And so on.  But if you claim that a knife just sucks and the guy who made it is a kook, then you should do your homework, understand the purpose of the tools, and decide whether you will need a tool for the purpose it was designed for.  That is the amazing thing about opinions, everybody has one, but those who do their homework can make better decisions.

Me?  Combat knife hall of famers are the SOG Dagger and Kabar next gen combat knife.  6 inches of pure raw penetraing power!  True Killers among us.


Sorry to seem like an ass... "not really"... But all those who think you need to know this or that, or carry this knife or that knife.. What a bunch of shit... Just take what you have and point the sharp end in the right direction, or slash whatever gets within reach of ya...

Other than that it is just snobbery, and has nothing to do with what you will do when shit hits the fan....

Like it or not.

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Re: New Rambo Knife and Movie Knives
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2007, 08:05:28 PM »

Well, as I have said one thousand times and for years, I will never tell anyone how to hold a knife. My job is to collect all the pros and cons of each grip in differing circumstances and publish them.

In the rough and tumble "football" crash/clinch of a real-world, ugly knife fight, the reverse girp knife has frequently stabbed its owners. Something we all need to be aware of.

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Re: New Rambo Knife and Movie Knives
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2007, 03:11:05 AM »

If you make a "knife" to do more than stab, slash and hack, then it is a utility or camp knife and not a combat knife.  The new Rambo knife looks like a machete, too large to do small utility chores, too big to wield as an effective close quarters knife.  If it is a poor stabber, slasher and hacker, it ain't a combat ready blade.  Put it in the kitchen drawer. 

Most of us have a favorite, which is cool.  We are all different, thank you very much.  I hate the stigma with knives, the bullshit people talk about other specialists, the hollywood garbage, and mostly the claim that a particular knife is no good.  If you learn to use it for what it was designed to do, then you might find it handy. I personally base my trust in a knife from field testing it, not someone's opinion.

Any knife edge is useful, just does it serve your needs.  If you are into primitive tools such as I, you will find that you need a variety of tools: a hacker (axe or machete), saw edge, wood carving blade (2" flat edge, draw knife, etc), skinner and hide scraping blade (rounded for caping and fleshing).  That is SIX TOOLS.  You wanna carry these around wherever you go in the backcountry if you can.  Add a shovel and your talking about 6lbs of tools, which I will gladly carry and have at all times at my camp.  BUT, if you can only carry one tool that will do all that the six edged tools, plus provide a decent knife combat usage, then the smaller Tracker comes pretty close.  That is the purpose of the Tracker, good or bad as it is reputed. BUT, it is overpriced and over-rated.  Even Tom Brown has mentioned that the knife is just another survival tool, not the end all knife. (Tom would build other tools to replace the knife, that's just the way he does things, which I generally agree is the superior solution to add longevity to any survival tool).

I would not depend on one knife, ever.  Your survival becomes more difficult if you lose it.  So, the smaller Tracker may be a good backup blade, but never to serve as a primary blade!  That should've been in the movie footnotes! But hollywood makes the knife the focus of The Hunted, pissing off all the other knife specialists of the world.  And that is warranted, thanks hollywood.  Instead, TOPS knives is raking in the cash, and people talk smack about the Tracker knife all the time. The knife shape is a bit too radical for the general public.  I personally have owned the Beck Tracker (early 90s model) and the smaller TOPS Tracker.  The smaller model is better handling and concealable.  The smaller is lighter and faster in hand, hacks better than a Kabar, but average stabber.  I give it a 7 for utility and a 5 for combat. Another knife that is "better" and much cheaper that is shaped like the Tracker is the Condor Kukri Hunter http://www.condortk.com/productsdetail.php?prodid=53

Put it this way, if you like a knife, then use it.  I personally have never found one knife to do everything that I need done.  My drop point folder does more than any other knife I own, including being a combat ready knife.  Any other knife I own takes second place to my ever ready folder.  So, find a very strong folder and field test the shit out of it, then sleep with it.  Then learn how to use a knife to make all the other tools you might need to survive. 

If you are combat knife guy, then a knife or machete might suit you. 

If you are a survival knife guy, then a utility knife might suit you.

And so on.  But if you claim that a knife just sucks and the guy who made it is a kook, then you should do your homework, understand the purpose of the tools, and decide whether you will need a tool for the purpose it was designed for.  That is the amazing thing about opinions, everybody has one, but those who do their homework can make better decisions.

Me?  Combat knife hall of famers are the SOG Dagger and Kabar next gen combat knife.  6 inches of pure raw penetraing power!  True Killers among us.



  I'm not sure how to take your post as there is lots of information there. Is Tom a kook? Pretty much I think but plenty of people think I'm a kook and have said as much, no big deal there. The six in one knife that would be used to make other tools to replace itself in the field does not make any sense. Its a much better plan to have one knife with one edge thats easier to sharpen and keep sharp than the whole multifunctioned do all Ultimate Camping Championship Knife.

  I was trying to avoid this but here is some criticism of the blade. No hunter would consider it a good skinner as the blade is just to big. The curve of the blade is such that it makes a lousy chopper thats easily deflected back towards whomever is swinging it rather than a hatchet blade or even a Japanese Hatchet which is all tip forwards for very precise chopping. I already mentioned that the spokeshave is just nonsensical as a machete with a rag or twine wrapped around it to protect ones hands from the blade would make a much better spokeshave capable of heavy or fine work. In general the knife is way to big to be skinning small game with, cutting up birds with and I wont even bother with its uselessness conserving fish. I guess if you were tanning a hundred buffalo hides one could make a silly argument that it is a good flesher but anyone who's ever bothered to flesh large hides knows its done on poles with big dull edges so even that argument would end in failure.

  As far as knives go, I have known how to make a knife out of a rock since around 8 years old or younger. I was born in the heart of the Ouchita Mountains where Noviculite lays on the ground everywhere you walk and spent the better part of my youth chopping up stuff in the woods when I wasn't paddling around some creek, hunting, fishing, or just throwing rocks to be mean. At the bottom of this post is a sample of Noviculite made into a bird point for those who don't know what it is.


  Overall the Tom Brown knife was a financial success but I have yet to hear of one single credible person endorse it as a Survival Knife, its just not practical in any way, better than nothing? Well I will give it that but thats it.







 
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Re: New Rambo Knife and Movie Knives
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2007, 03:20:50 AM »



Sorry to seem like an ass... "not really"... But all those who think you need to know this or that, or carry this knife or that knife.. What a bunch of shit... Just take what you have and point the sharp end in the right direction, or slash whatever gets within reach of ya...

Other than that it is just snobbery, and has nothing to do with what you will do when shit hits the fan....

Like it or not.

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  Does one need a university degree to swing a machete? No.

  Does one need to do some thinking about it before one swings a machete? Yes.


  Snobbery? I don't think its that, being systematic would be a better term.
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Re: New Rambo Knife and Movie Knives
« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2007, 09:48:00 AM »



Sorry to seem like an ass... "not really"... But all those who think you need to know this or that, or carry this knife or that knife.. What a bunch of shit... Just take what you have and point the sharp end in the right direction, or slash whatever gets within reach of ya...

Other than that it is just snobbery, and has nothing to do with what you will do when shit hits the fan....

Like it or not.

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  Does one need a university degree to swing a machete? No.

  Does one need to do some thinking about it before one swings a machete? Yes.


  Snobbery? I don't think its that, being systematic would be a better term.

I had a few beers before I posted that, so my point didn't really come across like I wanted it to.

I am a firm believer in tactics and training and doing our best to be ready and well trained.

Problem with these types of debates is the reality check in what we are legally able to carry.

We are not always able to carry the best blade for the job. No doubt a kukri or a good machete is a lot better hacker than my pocket folder.. Thing is I can probably carry a machete or kukri in my vehicle and maybe get away with it as a "camping or work tool"... Maybe.. Maybe not. My favorite knife is my Colt fixed blade which is a great thrusting tool, but I can't carry that on my hip unless it is hunting season. So unless I am in my car, or in a stand with my rifle, they won't do me much good.

But I can carry my folder on me and say I use it as a box opener or a tool and can have it on me at all times.

I guess where the snobbery thing came in is that many carry the latest and greatest cool blade with the biggest price tag, and that makes them feel cool. As if the price of the blade will give them a better chance of survival on a hit and run mugging or assault.

I just keep a decent folder on me that I can use as a tool, or if need be help me get home. I don't need a $200 blade for that. I can whip into any local convenience store and get one that will work just as well for under $10.

Anyways... In a nutshell different blades are better for different jobs. Unless we are in a profession that allows us to carry a machete or a bowie then I have to settle with what I will be allowed to carry legally. For me a folder is about all I can justify having in my possession, so that is what I train to use.

Hope this makes more sense than the last post..  :P

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Re: New Rambo Knife and Movie Knives
« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2007, 06:40:05 PM »

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Sorry to seem like an ass... "not really"... But all those who think you need to know this or that, or carry this knife or that knife.. What a bunch of shit... Just take what you have and point the sharp end in the right direction, or slash whatever gets within reach of ya...

Other than that it is just snobbery, and has nothing to do with what you will do when shit hits the fan....

Like it or not.

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I had a few beers before I posted that, so my point didn't really come across like I wanted it to.


Yes, and on the subject of beer mate...

But all those who think you need to drink a particular beer, or drink this lite or that lite.. What a bunch of shit... Just take what you have and point the glass, can or bottle in the right direction, and drink until drunk...

Other than that it is just snobbery, and has nothing to do with what you will drink when you need to get hammered....

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Re: New Rambo Knife and Movie Knives
« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2007, 08:10:27 PM »

Thank you for that Down Under moment of Clarity.  Spot on Uncle Nicky!
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Re: New Rambo Knife and Movie Knives
« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2007, 08:11:26 PM »

LOL... :)
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