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Author Topic: 90% of fights go to the ground. BULLSHIT!  (Read 1810 times)

jpmbujutsu

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90% of fights go to the ground. BULLSHIT!
« on: February 07, 2005, 02:37:37 AM »

I have trained ground fighting for 12  years plus.
I have fought some of the toughfest groundfighters in the world.
So I am speaking from experience. I also worked security for bands like
The Ramones, Bio Hazard, Faith No More, Live, Henry Rollins, Adam Ant,
The Mighty Mighty Bostones, Bigger Thomas, etc...
I have had hundreds of altercations. With knives, sticks, pepper mase, and guns.
And at no time did the fight end up on the ground!
Do you know why? Because I knew how to defend myself an stay on my feet.
What a revalation!
Don't become a ground fighting expert.
It is a death sentence.
Learn how to be an expert on how to get back to your feet.
And put your foot in his ass!
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Bri Thai

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Re: 90% of fights go to the ground. BULLSHIT!
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2005, 03:22:12 AM »

I'm told by a great fighting arts trainer (won't name him as I am paraphrasing him) who is also in the LAPD that this claim is born out of LAPD stats for arrests.  Part of their arrest procedure can involve a number of officers putting the bad guy down to cuff/subdue him, and these incidents (which were not really fights) are included in the statistics as "going to ground".

I think that groundfighting training is a must, just in case.  But it is far from inevitable that a fight will take you both down to the floor.
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Re: 90% of fights go to the ground. BULLSHIT!
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2005, 04:05:50 AM »

I have trained ground fighting for 12  years plus.
I have fought some of the toughfest groundfighters in the world.
So I am speaking from experience. I also worked security for bands like
The Ramones, Bio Hazard, Faith No More, Live, Henry Rollins, Adam Ant,
The Mighty Mighty Bostones, Bigger Thomas, etc...
I have had hundreds of altercations. With knives, sticks, pepper mase, and guns.
And at no time did the fight end up on the ground!
Do you know why? Because I knew how to defend myself an stay on my feet.
What a revalation!
Don't become a ground fighting expert.
It is a death sentence.
Learn how to be an expert on how to get back to your feet.
And put your foot in his ass!


I hope you're getting tremendous hazard pay...You and Ninor need a different line of work.     :o
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Re: 90% of fights go to the ground. BULLSHIT!
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2005, 04:25:06 AM »

jpmjujutsu,

Amen brother.  i've always said it "90% of drunken red necks will end up on the floor...pros won't."

Brian is absolutely right though, that study was out of LAPD statistics based on the fact they'd take the perps down to where they could cuff them.

Prof...c'mon...we don't do it for the money brother...as we used to say in the Legion

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and never coming back.

What keeps me here
is German beer, the women and the 'crack'


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Re: 90% of fights go to the ground. BULLSHIT!
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2005, 05:52:46 AM »

I really do not like that stat.  Ground fighters use it often to support thier claim.  The bottomline is "Where would the fight end up? - In the sky?"  At the close of all real fights somebody is on the ground.
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Re: 90% of fights go to the ground. BULLSHIT!
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2005, 06:25:43 AM »

I really do not like that stat. Ground fighters use it often to support thier claim. The bottomline is "Where would the fight end up? - In the sky?" At the close of all real fights somebody is on the ground.

...and it aint gonna be me.

Thanks for the great topic coming from an expert like jpmbujutsu.
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Re: 90% of fights go to the ground. BULLSHIT!
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2005, 06:34:13 AM »

JMP is right, get ground experience but dont stay on the ground, eye attacks can take out a good ground fighter.
If you limit your thinking you limit your training. So keep an open mind to what JMP is saying. Be creative in your training.
You fight that ground range but not just that range. If you do train just on the ground you will be lacking in the clinch as well as stand up skills. If you are training for sport ground is fine. train for reality and you will have to remember the hard concrete that you might wind up on along with gravel pressing into your skin. Ever try Brazillian ju-jitsu on the pavement? Think about it or just try it at your own risk and see how fast you stand up and fight.

You dont have the luxury of a mat remember that.
You dont have the luxury of large open space.

Just my 2 cents.
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Re: 90% of fights go to the ground. BULLSHIT!
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2005, 08:16:40 AM »

If everyone who is reading this doesn't know who JPMBujusu is, it's Jim McCann who teaches ground fighting at Hoch's seminars.  If you never attended one of Hoch's seminars with Jim teaching ground fighting techniques, that alone is worth the price of the seminar.  He also has an awesome DVD out you buy here at Hoch's, just click on the icon on the left "McCann Ground Fighting Level 1".  He's also available for seminars at your place besides running his own seminars several times a year at his gym a little of north of Philadelphia PA.  I'm currently training with Jim at his place 3x/week.  I've been doing sport BJJ and MMA at another gym until I met Jim last year and he has really elevated my ground fighting and boxing techniques.  I hired him last year to do private lessons when I was getting "beaten" up too much at my old gym.  If you want to learn sport BJJ from him, he'll teach it to you, but where he really excels is dirty fighting.  Whether on the ground with his infamous neck cranks or standup boxing or fighting.  If you get caught in a real fight situation, you'll be glad you took lessons from Jim or the next best thing, attend both a seminar and buy his DVD.  His DVD is good but doesn't do the man justice without seeing him in person.  I have worked with Jim McCann 3 to 6 days a week for almost a year and I'm still amazed at the information he provides.  As fast, quick, and knowledgable he is on the ground, he is quicker as a boxer.  He dances across the floor like he's floating on air.  He moves fast and he's smooth.  Please, I'm not trying to be biased, I'm just impressed with the man.  His DVD Ground Fighting Level 1 has a lot to do with getting your opponent off of you.  Techniques that really work.  If you have ever been on the mat, you know how it sucks when someone is on top of you.  This is what this DVD deals with, getting the guy off of you.  Well worth the money, I'm glad I own it.  One of the better DVD.  He starts off slow showing you the technique several times solo, then he has another instructor as his opponent, he again does it slowly several times then finishes doing it at real time speed.  Very easy to follow and understand.  The quality of the production of the DVD is diffcult to do better.  It's a DVD you watch once and continually go back and re-watch especially when you start slipping and can't get your opponent off of you, your glad you have his DVD on your shelf to re-watch before you go back to the gym to fight again and say "Bring it on!"
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Re: 90% of fights go to the ground. BULLSHIT!
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2005, 07:46:53 PM »

I’ll second that- Jim McCann is awesome and his DVD is one of the best ground videos I have ever seen!  I have also got tons of ideas from his material, which has spawned a host of new drills and rekindled my interest in a street applicable ground-fighting programme.  A perfect companion for any of Hock’s DVDs and/or books, Jim McCann is simply a must for anyone interested in the Scientific Fighting Congress!

Forge on bro

Joe
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Re: 90% of fights go to the ground. BULLSHIT!
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2005, 10:58:38 PM »

Jim!  We need level 2 PLEEEAAASSSSE!!
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Re: 90% of fights go to the ground. BULLSHIT!
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2005, 01:02:42 AM »

Jim! We need level 2 PLEEEAAASSSSE!!

Level 2?....Hell! We need 2-10 if you ask me! ASAP!!!! ;D

Gimme, Gimme, gimme...I need, I need, I need.  :D
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Re: 90% of fights go to the ground. BULLSHIT!
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2005, 01:43:31 AM »

Jim! We need level 2 PLEEEAAASSSSE!!

Level 2?....Hell! We need 2-10 if you ask me! ASAP!!!! ;D

Gimme, Gimme, gimme...I need, I need, I need. :D


Ditto!
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Re: 90% of fights go to the ground. BULLSHIT!
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2005, 03:32:03 AM »

We are shooting 2 more McCann GF levels and a Great Escapes 1 theme in the end of March.

I will produce them as fast as possible.

Come to the Ring of Fire in Dallas in May
Hey, start thinking about New Jersey next October where we are doing a big hand, stick, knife and gun reality ground fighting event taught by:

>Me
>McCann
>Hatmaker (one of the best submission guys on the planet. Emphasis? Escaping submissons.

And McCann and I will be in London in October also.
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Re: 90% of fights go to the ground. BULLSHIT!
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2005, 06:32:59 PM »

My eyes have definitely been opened to the whole subject of groundfighting! I was working out with a group of TKD stylists who had been training in some submission fighting. While I was training with one black belt, who by the way was demostrating some wrist grabs and takedowns, got a little upset with me for not complying with him by going down for him. He immediately went down to the ground (we were on mats) and tryed to put me down with him. He was between my legs. I wasn't sure if it was seriously trying to bring me down to hurt me or just embarrass me. It was one of those situations where you feel a little like dreamland! Anyway, I put my thumb in his eye to make him let go, but again I wasn't sure how hard I should because I didn't want to put his eye out. He let go but then tried to leg scissor me around my legs. I grabbed the leg he was extending up and placed my teeth on his calf. I bit only a little to let him know that he was doing something really dumb. He then jerked back and I backed off from him as he got up from the floor.
I asked him what he thought he was doing and he told me to teach me a lesson. I told him he wasnt smart for what he did and he told me that at least he was alive, which I replyed...yes but with one less eye and a big chunk bit out of his leg!
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Re: 90% of fights go to the ground. BULLSHIT!
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2005, 09:36:31 PM »

Ninor

I thought the "crack" was part of the woman.

Ciao

Joe
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