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Jim Wagner - Detecting Frauds?
« on: July 17, 2008, 10:13:35 PM »

(Jeff Clancy is a Federal DEA agent, and he reports this...)

"A fraud like Wagner telling you how to detect frauds."

"Few self-defense instructors in the world can come close to Mr. Wagner's background: former soldier, jailer, street cop, SWAT officer, diplomatic bodyguard, and most recently, a counterterrorist with the United States government. In addition, Jim Wagner is one of the world's top police and military Defensive Tactics and Tactics instructor's, having trained elite units worldwide." -

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This is from Wagner's own website in his own words.  I like the way he gives advice on how to detect fraudulent instructors by asking of them merely what's being requested of him on this forum.   Oh, the hypocrisy.  Pay particular attention to the last paragraph where he clearly articulates his mindset that law enforcement was a temporary career designed to "expand my horizons in the  martial arts."  The man is obsessed with rank, titles and the ability to claim associations with professional organizations as a means to carve another notch on the resume.  Absolutely shameful and there is more on the way.   

“If you go to an instructor outside of the Jim Wagner Reality-Based Personal Protection system, and he or she claims to have a Special Operations background, or that they claim teach "the top police and military units," or anything of this nature, then have them prove it to you. Ask them what agencies or units they have served in, and what academies they graduated from and the number of the class. Every academy or Special Forces class has an assigned number. Have them produce training certificates, letters, and of course - photos. Have you ever wondered why many instructors who make wild claims do not give details to their backgrounds or have fail to post that information on their websites? For those instructors who do not have a police or military background, but claim to teach elite police and military units, have them prove it with photos or letters of appreciation. As the old proverb goes, "Buyer beware."
http://www.jimwagnertraining.com/aboutjimwagner/photogallery.html

With this “Buyer beware” attitude in mind, I am respectfully asking JW to produce at least some of his contacts (training officers, commanding officers, team leaders, etc.) for the “dozens of SWAT teams” and “dozens of jail and prisons” he has trained; so they can be verified.

If he is unwilling to do so, then I am respectfully requesting to see copies of the student’s certificates (no names, just dates, unit & location), letters/emails from all of these departments requesting his expertise and desire to have him train them, student rosters, evaluations, training waiver(s)  and documentation proving his status as an “official” tactics instructor for the US units he currently lists on his website:  “US Marshals Service, FBI SWAT, U.S. Border Patrol, California Highway Patrol, U.S. Air Force Security Forces, DEA, U.S. Coast Guard Sea Marshals, San Diego Sheriff’s Academy, U.S. Navy and Marines Provost Marshals Office, U.S. Army Military Police, Navajo Nation Police SWAT teams & Los Angeles Airport Police”
http://www.jimwagneruk.co.uk/   

And/or, can JW give us any of the above information for the, “…over 200 police and military units where agencies either sent personnel to Jim or he was invited to train at their facilities.”

http://www.jimwagnertraining.com/aboutjimwagner.html

 

JW has written articles about documenting all training.  So all of this should not be a problem.  Also, JW state, “Since 1992 Jim had only been teaching government agencies.”   It would seem honest and logical that there must be some documentation somewhere after 16+ years of being requested to train at least 200+ military and police units.  Jim, you don’t even have to post any of this on your site – just send me an email with the info and I will let my readers know that you are valid.  If I don’t hear from you in the next 7 days with a list of units/contacts, or a valid reason why this cannot be produced, I will assume that this is just a lot of untruths and outright lies.

“Although an operator in the military and law enforcement communities for two decades…..”
Also from JW’s website:  8 months in the Army, 8 as a street cop, 2 as a jailer, 2 as a reserve deputy, 1 as an air marshal and 2 as an Army reserve truck security Sgt.  That adds up to less than 16 years of on/off active and reserve service.  Hardly the 20 years he is claiming.

Lastly, JW’s website in 2003 clearly states, regarding his participation at the Orange County Sheriff’s Academy for the Costa Mesa PD:  “From day one, starting at the academy I had the mindset that this career was temporary, and I would bail out when I was good and ready.  I kept taking steps up in the police department to expand my horizons in the martial arts.”  So much for his repeated claims of not using his law enforcement training to enhance his martial arts potential to earn.



Read Jim Wagner 13 Questions for the most recent info...
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Re: Another Jim Wagner Challenge
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2008, 04:14:08 PM »

I would be interested in Mr Wagners definition of what a Fraud is and what a Phony is?

fraud

1. deliberate deception or cheating intended to gain an advantage
2. an act of such deception
3. Informal a person who acts in a false or deceitful way [Latin fraus]

1. fraud - intentional deception resulting in injury to another person
2. fraud - a person who makes deceitful pretenses
3. fraud - something intended to deceive; deliberate trickery intended to gain an advantage

phony Definition
Informal not genuine; false, counterfeit, spurious, pretentious, etc.
something not genuine; sham; fake, a person who is not what he or she pretends to be; one who deceives, dissembles, is insincere, etc.; fraud

It is funny that Mr Wagner fits the definitions of the words listed above. It is also the reason it is Fitting that he is on POWNET and is LISTED as a PHONY, with a long hidden secret of only being in the Army for 8 months.

Sorry Mr Wagner everyone in a Police Department,SWAT team,Special Forces,Marine Corps unit does not have a camera man running behind him/her to document every part of their career.I have paper work from my things done in my life but near zero photo's. My photo's are in my head as things I did are memories for me,not to be sold or needed to prove a second in time which can mean/be nothing.

Again I would like to know what you taught the units around the world ASIDE from your basic Self defense courses.

Did GSG9 learn SWAT  and sniper tactics from you? lol (or HSS!)
Did the Israeli Special Forces learn Counter Terrorism tactics from you? lol
Did the US Marine Sniper units learn tactics and deployment from you ? lol
In a response in BLITZ you claim you count your teachings as part of your time as an officer and soldier as you do not just teach,they show you stuff as well.

Quote JW
"Although I was paid for my services  (except the Israelis due to a trade out), I too learned from all of 
these groups as well. Does this well known instructor think that I do not have the intelligence to absorb information from these world class agencies? " Was the trade out the ranking you were given as an instructor of the various Israeli martial arts?

According to the Air Marshall site,the majority of classes in the first part are in POLICE work.
The second Part is mostly shooting.

When the NYPD Mobilizes Police officers to Traffic checks at Bridges,Tunnels and Train stations are they also counter Terrorism specialists?Even though the Majority have POLICE TRAINING Only and NO special counter Terrorism training similar to you

Did the National Guard Units that patrolled airports after 9/11 get called Counter Terrorism specialists?
Did the National Guard troops get special training  in counter terrorism?

What special training did YOU get in the 5 weeks at the first stage of Air Marshall training?

You tell a story of a suspect that followed your friend at an airport,a fellow Air Marshall, and what did you do? You called a Police Deputy from Orange County to detain and question and the female officer let the Suspect go to your horror. Sounds like some Great training you got in Counter Terrorism.lol.

You reference me in a response in Blitz about  a post I made which said 3 months flying makes one a counter terrorism specialist,lol. You say I have No clue to the duties of counter terrorism.How about 1 year at a TS Base in Scotland? How about two years at TS Facility in London.

That alone is 3 years of counter Terror WORK, that is 33 more months than you flew in a seat in a plane.(quote you JW:How long can one fly around with out incident and Not Get Bored)
The above was only my USMC job.

We have PROFESSIONAL SPECIALISTS (Not certificate secialists) who are getting shot at by snipers and getting blown up by Terrorists in war zones.Do you know more than they do?
(hey you got pics though of you in BDU's by a sand colored Hummer)

You are all about embellishing/padding your resume and taking peoples money with BS smoke and mirrors.
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Re: Another Jim Wagner Challenge
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2008, 08:37:33 PM »

Mr Wagner
Did you get sent by your department to the 1st Mar Div scout sniper school,OFFICALLY?
or
Did you perhaps go there with guys from HSS?
or
Know guys with HSS who gave you certificates?

The Time Machine find is a great thing.

Seems you had a Site
WWW.Wararts.com
Sold your Police video.

Funny name for a site to sell a become a cop video.
Then in a year you have HSS
www.hikestalkshoot.com on your link.

There you are on their site.

But if you put in
WWW.hikestalkshoot.com
outside of your link
you get their full web pages

I found this interesting

quote from hike stalk shoot page

"In fact, it was Hike Stalk Shoot's close relationship with the instructors of the 1st Marine Division Scout/Sniper School which changed the way California police snipers trained and even went on call-outs."

Get your certificates from somebody from the 1st Mar Div scout sniper school who WAS OFF DUTY,training with a bunch of others playing sniper?

http://web.archive.org/web/19990220140956/www.hikestalkshoot.com/whowa.htm

A lot of talk on Reality Based Training scenarios?????
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Re: Another Jim Wagner Challenge
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2008, 09:02:40 PM »

MrWagner,
Did you serve on a SWAT Team?
Did you hold an entry or sniper position on a Team that did actual assaults?

According to your Bio on HSS
"Jim Wagner is a Chief Instructor for HSS International and has 10 years law enforcement experience in Southern California as a police officer. Assignments have included corrections, patrol, bicycle patrol, and SWAT. Trained as a police scout/sniper, Jim was responsible for providing tactical diagrams and running the Tactical Operations Center. Jim is HSS International�s chief Combatives instructor with 23 years of martial arts experience. He is a columnist for Black Belt magazine, and is regularly featured in SWAT magazine. Jim is also an ASLET instructor and Range Safety Officer. He is currently a deputy for the Orange County Sheriff's in California. "

Now from what I get you attended SWAT training but you SERVED in the Tactical Operations Center supplying tactical diagrams.
A command post job?
This is clearly not a SWAT team position is it?

Where is the mention of your military?

They also do not mention your work with Government and international Military and Police units?
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Re: Wagner - Detecting Frauds?
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2008, 03:53:59 PM »

This whole Jim Wagner thing is like watching the Hidenburg crash into the Titanic
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Re: Wagner - Detecting Frauds?
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2008, 04:48:23 PM »

I cant help but wonder if Sgt Skippy has a wife and kids, what they must be going through if he is married. The sins of the father should not be passed onto the son

I can she his whole life going down the shitter on this one. Dont get me wrong he is the authur of his own demise, still i wonder about his family (if he has one)
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Re: Wagner - Detecting Frauds?
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2008, 11:10:30 PM »

Here's more from the JW files.  

“Have you noticed lately that there are a lot of martial arts instructors out there telling people that they instruct the Navy SEALs, Army Special Forces, Rangers, SWAT teams or whoever. They do this to boost student enrolment and to sell videos, but anyone making the claim that they instruct "elite teams" should come under suspicion.”  Well, JW, you are under suspicion.  Except for canceling your only training in the USA (because the host caught wind of your checkered and dubious background), you cannot seem able to answer the basic and easy 13 questions……

http://www.usadojo.com/pdf-files/jim-wagner-tips-and-tricks.pdf

http://hockscombatforum.com/index.php?topic=4049.0

 

“Use-of-Force consultant and trainer for dozens of federal, state, local and foreign law enforcement and military police agencies.”  If you had read this last week, you’d assume it was all true and these dozens of agencies and military units wanted and sought JW out – now it turns out it was all a lie.  See below for details.

http://groups.msn.com/Nubreedmartialarts/combatgrappling.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=1448

There is now an HSS International section to JW’s website.  Why did it take his near destruction for JW to finally tell the truth; that 95% of his bragging rights came from HSS.  Not, as he has stated and defended for the last 5+ years, from 200+ agencies wanting him to come to them and requesting him.  This is like saying that all the major airlines wanted Jim Wagner to fly on their planes to protect their passengers and aircraft – not that he was assigned to the flights as an air aarshal (for the six months he managed to stay in the program).  Another stretched truth and continuous fabrication brought to you by JW.  Now, he just needs to answer his Special Forces experience statements, his “combat experience” lies, being shot at lie, being the “official instructor” for all the teams he lists, the Israeli teaching record lie, being a SWAT Team member lie (an actual team member…not someone brought on to draw diagrams), etc. etc.

http://www.jimwagnertraining.com/bioaddhss.html  

Here is the founding staff of HSS International
http://www.hssinternational.com/staff.php
They are phasing out HSS to become the H3 Group - new webpage etc
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Re: Jim Wagner - Detecting Frauds?
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2010, 08:53:03 AM »

Funny thing is if you look at Wagner clips on you tube,he is credited as being not only on a SWAT team,(in COSTA MESA California,the hot bed of SWAT needed action),but as a SWAT TEAM leader/Commander.

JW ,on his site now says that indeed he did fail the long distance run of 1.5 miles,lol, on his first attempt at joining SWAT,but this made him work harder and the following year he completed his SWAT fitness test at the top of the class and was welcomed to the TEAM and given the silver metal SWAT Badge.
Funny thing is before it was he :
Never mentioned Failing the run until it was brought out on this forum
He also credited a LT Friend with getting him on the Team to work the TOC.
Now the TOC is not mentioned.

He has a picture up of the SWAT Team and it says the LT and HIS Men/team Fullerton California.
A question though JW
In that photo are not the guys in Full BDU's like you,not guys from HSS ?
Where other HSS members also on coast Mesa SWAT ?

Was Costa Mesa not the Department you left for making a Life like/realistic looking fake bomb in trying to make training more realistic,then when told not to use it you attempted to claim it was another guys and wanted him charged,but in the end it was you they charged ?

Was the Sheriff Department,(Reserve),where they were all Dirty according to you,the Place where you had Cards Made up claiming yourself as a full time SGT on the the Sheriff's Close Protection Team.

Was it not a Family friend named Pam,that got you your SGT rank in the Sheriff Department,(Reserve) ,to help you make your Sgt JW claim for your Reality Based training,just before you Resigned.(The picture on your site )
Resigned before the hammer on making false claims as to your rank,status and claims as close protection team member/leader,lol.

Was it not a friend of your wife whose name you used as an author and book writer ,who was writting a book on German knife use of which the book was to claim you as a pivotal point in German Knife use.
When searched out,the woman was found to be a secretary near your home.
(her name and where she worked is on Hock's site in some one of the pages on you)

No mention that after all these GREAT things,you attempted a shot at LAPD and where turned down,never got past the paper work investigation.
I wonder why LAPD would turn down a Marine Corps Certified Sniper,international trainer,Police Officer with many years of experience,a SWAT SNIPER and Dignitary protection Specialist of a Police Department ?

Hey how come there is no more mention on your site of wanting to experience warfare and the Israeli friends of yours allowing you to run clandestine ops with them into Syria ?LOL

On you tube clip there is an interview in which you claim to be the SOLE reason there is Reality Based anything in the world.
That people like Moni Aizik,Avi Nardia and even REAL DEAL BEEN THERE DONE THAT Guy Kelly McCann/Jim Grover,as jumping on the band wagon of your Reality Based terminology.
Moni and Avi you brought to the fore front so they were doing what you allowed, but Kelly McCann was doing Reality around the world as an Officer in the US Marine Corps before  you ever heard of Martial arts,no less your other BS,so you just threw hi in as to make yourself superior to him,but a fake can not out weigh a Real Deal Guy to those in the know,just to the easily infatuated.

Go to Kelly McCann's site and see his REAL Pictures,not his weekend warrior ,HSS ,posing Pictures.

Again,Johnny Kuhl and Frank Ryan ,as well as MANY othere were doing what you say you started  in the 60's-70's-80's,Lighting,training in the street,using theatrical props and staging,and Johnny Kuhl Having a full bar in his dojo.

Read the posts on this site from Jeff Clancy,who you claimed as a student of yours,but who was /is a Real Deal guy who actually taught you things,things which after he posted on here you then wrote on your site.

Always trying to keep up to date,trying to write cover and catch up.
Always continue to blow smoke and keep the Reallity of your FALSE CLAIMS at arms length.

People out there know the reality/truth and are willing to talk.
Jeff is one.
Mr Browning  got your friend ,REAL SWAT team member at Costa Mesa to tell you did not serve on SWAT,you did TOC duties and you NEVER Instructed the SWAT team in any training.
So I guess the Picture,which you claim PROVES your team membership,is another HSS Posing Picture.

Hey Jim,
I have a question about an HSS clip you have on your site.
http://www.jimwagnertraining.com/images/Jim_Wagner_past.mp4

The one which shows Taking down an aircraft,Rubber boat water insertion,riding in a Helo,and other stuff.
There is a clip of what looks like/supposed to be you in SCUBA Gear under a boat showing/pointing to a Boat with what is supposed to be an explosive charge attached to the hull.
Is that training something that Police SWAT and or Scuba Teams train in,placement of mines on ships.
or
Are you also a scuba trained EOD Specialist,just showing the finding and identifying of a mine.
LOL
(also the charge is not properly placed,my two cents,but what do I know)
Photo Op BS

I hope you got the people off the boat before you started screwing around ,even in training.
Not like the picture of you searching a Car for a Bomb at the airport,with people around, traffic, flowing by,you using your radio all right next to the terminal,lol.(Real bomb search according to you)
or
The story of the Terrorist with the suitcase you followed to the plane,pulled off the plane ,who you thought had a bomb and you say you opened it on the gangway just outside of a plane full of fuel and loaded with people.LOL

When will you be putting up clips of how to survive a sniper,terrorists threats,school attacks and the such.
I am really interested in see that BS training.
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Re: Jim Wagner - Detecting Frauds?
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2010, 10:56:45 PM »

Okay. My head is spinning a bit. Let me get this straight.

Wagner...

AFTER attorney Sam Browning has collected statements right from Costa Mesa SWAT cops back in the summer of 2008....that said Wagner was never, EVER on the CMPD SWAT team and only worked in the support "house mouse" TOC office....

AFTER Wagner admitted that he flunked the PT test and just worked with other SWAT guys and learned a lot...

AFTER Wagner told me in 2009 that he was never on a front line SWAT team. He failed the PT test...(Hartman just retired and was there before and after Wagner)

Now...NOW Wagner says, about two years later after the Browning evidence, now says he retook the test in the 1990s and "came in first" and was then officially on the SWAT team, resigning from it in 1997?

Is he making this up like...daily? Does he not know people will check this out?
I think maybe he now just lies to the few stupid people he has left, stupid enough to believe him and his ever-changing bullshit, concocted sales image.

Says an old police sarge of his to me...
    "I came across the old '08 post ref Jim's credentials and issues. I couldn't resist emailing you even though this is a stale topic. Over the years I've come across some of his stuff online. I just cringe. To me, he has no credibility.
    You pretty much hit the nail on the head. I worked with Jim at Costa Mesa P.D. He was a kooky guy who always seem to live in a "Water Mitty" type of dream world. At times, I was Jim's Sergeant in patrol. He was just a goofball. He wasn't social. He had few friends. People didn't trust him. He was a wuss as a cop. His only strength was a big imagination and some writing skills.
     In patrol, back when there was street justice, he was pretty much a wuss. I don't remember him ever using any level of force, ever. Lt. Ron Smith, (the Costa mesa SWAT commander) felt sorry for him. On SWAT, Jim was just a "house mouse" who did logistics and maintained gear. After Jim left the PD, well before retirement, we heard about his Air Marshal gig. The Feds came to the PD and were looking in his (personnel) package. They served a search warrant at his home in Irvine (for some crime.) Nobody was surprised." 


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Re: Jim Wagner - Detecting Frauds?
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2010, 03:23:01 PM »

Yes Hock,now he claims HE WAS a full fledged SWAT officer.


http://www.jimwagnertraining.com/bioaddswat.html

First go at SWAT:
"Then, to finish the testing, we had to run a mile and a half on the cooking rubberized track. I hate long distance running. I hated running in the Army, I hated it in the Academy, and I dreaded it on the day of the SWAT test; especially timed runs. I ran my heart out, but I was 40 seconds too slow according to the examiner. He looked at me and said unemotionally, 'Sorry, you didn’t make it.' I shook my head in acknowledgement, found myself a bench in the shade, and then let the heat slowly evaporate from my body."

NEW SECOND ATTEMPT AND PASS, LOL
"Officer Jim Wagner was discouraged, but not defeated; he applied the following year when there was another two openings on the SWAT team. This time he was determined to push himself harder on the mile and a half run, and he crossed the finish line under the allotted time. He went on to pass the rigorous shooting test conducted by Range Master John Burgner, which consisted of a hostage situation using projected images on a live-fire screen. A few weeks Jim sat across the desk of Lieutenant Ron Smith and was handed a silver plated SWAT badge for his patrol uniform and told, "Welcome to the team. You’re in." The lieutenant handed him an equipment list that was taken down to the Property Division where he was issued a Kevlar helmet, Battle Dress Uniform, boots, tactical vest, and the whole kit. After only two years and nine months as a patrol officer, and two years as a corrections officer before that, Jim Wagner was officially on the Costa Mesa SWAT Team on March 11, 1994. He would end up serving for three years, two months, and 13 days. On May 24, 1997 Jim Wagner resigned from the team and was awarded a SWAT plaque, which is given only to those who have served honorably on the team. The award was approved by Swat Commander Ron Smith and presented by his first Field Training Officer, and fellow SWAT Officer, Phil Myers."

You have to read the full story for a laugh at what his job at the TOC was .
It was the most important and dangerous job on the SWAT team,as he scouted and reported back vital info all alone.
LOL

Even though Mr Browning has posted the interview with a member of Costa Mesa SWAT at the same time as JW and states JW was never a shooter and Never trained the SWAT Team ,JW still makes the claims and more.
Unbelievable
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Re: Jim Wagner - Detecting Frauds?
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2010, 05:09:13 PM »

Once again, we have Jim Wagner resigning from something?! Something he didn't resign from?

He willingly resigned from SWAT in 1997? Why then this Costa Mesa Police Department letter by Jim Wagner letter dated 3 September, 1998? Read on...


On September 3rd, 1998, Wagner submitted a letter to several Costa Mesa Police supervisors, (I have a copy of this letter) complaining about why he was discharged as their city SWAT command post operations officer (that's as "baggage boy", the guy safely in the back that does drawings and hands out gear, etc. I actually know some guys in wheel chairs that do some of this helper job in command posts...disabled ex-cops)

In this letter Wagner says, “ All I could do is was obediently accept the wisdom of my chain-of-command...” He was told by supervisors that they were dissolving this office support position. Wagner wrote in this 1998 letter, “ I don’t want to leave my post....” The letter moves on...

Wagner discovered that an unarmed, totally untrained, young park ranger named Kevin Condon was doing his same Wagner job! Then, Wagner suddenly wanted to know why he was removed. He wrote the “Information Request” letter.

Folks, I know this because...I have an official copy of that very letter right here in my hand.

But I thought Jimbo said he happily resigned in 1997? Why is he complaining about being dissolved in 1998?

I have no doubt that even in 1997 or 1998, team members might have given Jimbo a real nice gift (or a gold watch) and kissed him goodbye. As well they should. We did the same for our secretaries when they left. He did a service for the real SWAT team members that actually worked up on the front line. But he must have done something wrong to be dropped and replaced...you think? It got worse.

Shortly after this, his entire position with Costa Mesa...changed. It gets ugly and I will not report the details other than he was reduced in status. C.M.P.D. officers state he was then fired,  but officers report Wagner asked Chief Snowden for a break. Officers  say the C.M.P.D. Chief was “a softie” and gave Wagner a break. A chance to resign. Wagner then....resigned. A resignation pattern began.

Resign. Resign. Resign. Sound familiar? He resigned from SWAT. He resigned from Costa Mesa. He resigned from Orange County Reserves. He resigned from the Air Marshals. I know what happened each time, but I feel it is inappropriate for me to say what happened in this format here. Unless pushed to extremes.

Wagner uses the semantics of this situation to say he was “on” a SWAT team. Wagner will also play semantics with the word “resign.” But it hides a mess each time. The last one being the worst one.

But don’t Wagner’s stories crack you up? That “cooking, rubberized track” in balmy, southern California. I wonder what chicken restaurant he ate at after the test? Is there a picture of it on his web page? Was there a picture of the track? Of the restaurant? Of the chicken plate?

Hock
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Re: Jim Wagner - Detecting Frauds?
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2010, 08:26:53 PM »

The Physical fitness requirements for entry into SWAT/Costa Mesa California.
timed Run
40-80 pushups
5-20 pullups
60-100 situps
wall climb in tactical vest

I wonder how a guy who got a gold badge/TOP SOLDIER in boot camp
Scored at the top of his class in the Police Academy
Had a self made video out on "Becoming a Cop"
Ran SWAT classes for HSS
(The self described back door way to get on your sities SWAT TEAM)
How did he FAIL the physical agility for his "FIRST ?" Try at SWAT ?
Long distane run of 1.5 miles ? LOL
As a SWAT team member,supposedly,did he ever have to run longer distances for TIME ?

The photo's are almost ALL HSS photo's

question:
JW says that as a TOC member of SWAT he was the eyes and ears of the TEAM,scouting for the high ground for tactical sniping positions,having to don a ghillie suit at times to scout,he was often the first one to spot the target.
(He was issued the SWAT gear as on the supplies list,he says ,so he had to be a shooter ,right ? LOL)
If the job had such requirements why was JW replaced t the SWAT TOC position by a park ranger with ZERO SWAT training ?
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Re: Jim Wagner - Detecting Frauds?
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2010, 08:00:25 AM »

When a person who is a Police Officer or in the Military sets out to use their likeness in the full uniform of their department or military unit are they not supposed to have PERMISSION to use the Uniform for slef profit.

I wonder when JW filmed himself in his Costa Mesa Uniform for WAR ARTS production of "Becoming a Cop",did he have permission ?
Did He have Permission to use the California State Militia uniform for his photo shoots for the Various magazines ?
SGT Wagner says he is entitled to wear the uniform of the California State Militia,well not with out permission.
SGT Wagner says that his calling himself SGT Wagner is justified due to his rank in the CSM.
How about the YEARS prior in which he called himself SGT Wagner in BDU'S and SWAT Gear ?
JW Was not a SGT on the TOC for his Coast Mesa SWAT Team was he ? NO
JW was not a SGT in the Military when he ran the first class in RBSD in NY in 2003  when he claimed he was an NCO was he ? NO
(I think now he claims that he was supposed to enter the US Army as an E-5 and then go to WO school and then flight school,so he may have been mistaken of his REAL Rank when he got out as an E-2)
Just as he did not know that he WAS not an Instructor in JKD under Inosanto as he didn't know Dan actually certified Instructors.
Just as he now claims he did not know ,and does not know,that the Sniper certificate from the USMC he posts is not REAL.
(why is their NO Costa Mesa SWAT Team Certificate ?)
Loads of letters of APPRECIATION,thanking JW for training,training supplied by HSS  not JW alone with the Headers of USMC,special Forces and the like,but the photo op pictures which accompany those letters .like the one supposedly of Special Forces,DOES NOT SHOW ANY Special Forces Members in the pictures.
We have JW in a Ghillie suit in photo's,well before he was a member of Costa Mesa SWAT,yet we are to believe the pictures after being in costa Mesa Police are all of Legit SWAT Team Photo Ops.
JW claims to be a certified Scout /Sniper,he produces a HSS certificate and makes that that is a REAL qualifications certificate.

Recap:
Never ranked or certified to teach any martial art prior to Avi Nardia telling him he was certificied in Israeli arts.
Not an instructor under Dan Inosanto or any other JKD certified teacher.
8 months in the US Army-RESIGNED  (Thanks to Congressman)
Jailer in a 16 man /24 hour holding facility-RESIGNED
Costa Mesa Police Officer -Mall Patrol-Bike Patrol-DARE-Tactical Operations Center working the computer.-RESIGNED
Reserve Sheriff Department-not a Body Guard-RESIGNED
Federal Air Marshal with 3 months flying WITHOUT INCIDENT,(stated by JW in first NY RBSD class 2003) RESIGNED
Claims to have been partner in HSS until Partner forced him to RESIGN his shares  so partner could buy a house.

So many resignations from jobs that provide Job security and pensions,to run a Martial arts school,his ultimate dream,a dream which can be run as a second job.
(Even claims to be the one to have taken Bruce Lee's art to the next and highest level,lol,so full of himself and BS)

Years ago JW wrote articles telling people to study Varied Martial arts for short periods of time to obtain knowledge of all the arts.
Seems JW believes this is also the way to live your life,short time in MANY Jobs to develop a resume of PERCEIVED skills.

Reminds me of the saying
Jack of all trades and a MASTER of NONE.
A lot of BASIC Skills with MASTERY of NO single Art/Job.
Mastery of Deception and BS is a Mastery Skill unto itself,that he has mastered.
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Re: Jim Wagner - Detecting Frauds?
« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2010, 08:59:13 AM »

One tell tale sign about his so-called JKD/Kali prowess is that he has absolutely no footage at all which displays that on any of his video clips.  If he was really part of that early Inosanto Filipino Kali Academy group, somewhere or better yet someone would have remembered him from those days.

The latest joke is he shows a letter sent to him from Inosanto on his web page that he describes as a credible link between him and Dan, but when you read the letter it was actually a reply letter from when Wagner wrote to Inosanto requesting an autograph for a friend.

Very weird...

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Re: Jim Wagner - Detecting Frauds?
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2010, 09:55:02 AM »

Another thing that doesn’t make sense in this whole JKD/Kali/Inosanto connection is that Wagner states that he trained with Inosanto from when he was 17 to 25 years old.  So, in 8-years of training (even if this was off and on) he doesn’t even end up with an Associate Instructor Certificate? 

Stranger than fiction…

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Re: Jim Wagner - Detecting Frauds?
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2010, 11:26:07 AM »

Wagner trained with Dan at the 60 hour Aspen Seminar in 1978.
Wagner trained a couple of times at Dan's school in 1979,the ID card presented,if that is Wagners ?
Wagner went into the US Army in 1980.
Wagner then did not train with Dan until he took his USA HQ Front Man Frank to meet dan in 1988,the pic Jim has with Dan on his site.

After a few classes and the summer camp,Wagner was already teaching JKD/Kali out of a garage.

Smoke and Mirrors,all BS.
Minutes with a person or a couple days at training makes Life long Friends and makes one an expert in the world of JW.
Two days at an HSS course and he was a Scout Sniper/Counter Sniper.
Two days at an HSS Scuba course and he was a Dive Master running classes.
Two days at a Rappel class and he was a Rappel Master.
You had guys in HSS with Bio's of REAL SWAT,Special Forces,Force Recon,DEA agents,and the such with real training and experience and many with REAL martial arts skills and legit certification and yet Wagner,the Summer camp JKD guy was in charge of HSS Hand to Hand and Knife  ?
Master of everything,with no REAL Qualifications.
(if he had REAL Qualifications they would be on his site and a movie showing the REAL Certificate or award,lol)
Team Leader of every unit he was with with Zero experience in the Jobs,LOL.
(Now he even claims SWAT Team Leader,LOL,LOL)

Here is a Great one:
LOL,I kept asking when we would see one of JW's Terrorists /counter Terrorist video clips.
Well he posted one.
http://www.jimwagnerrealitybased.com/images/terrorist_attack_2.AVI
What a F***ing joke.
This is training to prevent yourself from being a victim ?
Please tell me how this is anything but a joke.
This is a circus act.
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Re: Jim Wagner - Detecting Frauds?
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2010, 06:57:47 AM »

I guess there is no news about his June course in the purpose built "empty" U.S.A. headquarters.  

Usually we are inundated with photos of what JW had for breakfast, (photos of fast food places) in-depth explanations that sweeping the floors of an empty room defines the kind of "reality" JW is accustom to and a video or two showing some superfluous new technique that JW has up his sleeve.  I wonder if that U.S.A. HQ is still empty?
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« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2010, 07:19:54 PM »

Here you go Joe:

Looks like Reality Based is on the way up,(according to JW),LOL.
Do these ,Supposed ,CEO's interested in his materials do research ??

Pictures put up on students searching Bags for bombs ??
Please does anyone out there,supposedly in the Security field, not see the JOKE of this Crap.
JW, who the hell taught you that pick up ,move ,and open bags in an attempt to find an explosive device?
Isn't the protocol:
Bomb Threat
Evacuate the building
Call the Bomb Squad.
if a search is deemed needed then people familiar with the building are assigned to look for Packages,bags ,items that are out of place .
If a suspicious item is found THEY DO NOTHING  with and or near the item,They NOTE LOCATION and inform supervisor of the search who informs Bomb  Squad or Technician.
(Bomb Squad uses a portable X Ray device on suspicious packages and bags,JW has them doing it by visual inspections,LOL)

A** holes  who now think they are bomb technicians ???

This Guy,(JW),is Joke and the scenarios and pictures he uses to look Great show his stupidity on the subject matter.
He is a DANGER.

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Re: Jim Wagner - Detecting Frauds?
« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2010, 12:58:36 AM »

JW's latest nonsensical news update:

First off, hardly anyone was there, despite the big advertising.
Wow, he finally got that decal put on the door!  It's good to know that JW is responding to every post put up on this forum.

I love the way he BIGs up the month of training he had with Inosanto- WOW!!! An entire month- the modern version of a Shoalin Monastery!  LOL!!!  ;D

What a load of BS.  Look at the photo of knife expert Frank Mayson over chambering while teaching JW's trade marked angle of attack system.

All in all the biggest disappointment of this news update is that we didn't get to see photos of what JW had for breakfast and the places he ate- I mean, he states that he met someone at Starbucks, but where is the photographic proof?  JW- you are dropping your already low standards even lower.

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Re: Jim Wagner - Detecting Frauds?
« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2010, 08:12:45 AM »

I love how JW says people came from all around the US,with TWO TSA people from Texas,and a woman from Florida,and one other man from Oklahoma.
YEP,ALL 4 paying students,LOL.

One of the SECURITY CEO's he mentioned,Mr Dennis Burns of Back Off Self Defense ,SELLS Equipment Only,so unless Mr Burns is going to sell JW knives then there is no relationship to be built there as Mr Burns has No people to have trained,lol.

I love the story of how JW was in the US Army,(for 8 months and 12 days),when President Regan took office and that the REGAN'S sent JW and his wife a congratulations card on their wedding.AS IF JW  and his wife WERE FRIENDS OF THE REGAN'S.

I love how JW insinuates so much in his writings but leaves room to wiggle out.
Like :
JW and his friend Bruce trained together in Traditional Japanese Karate.
JW speaks of it as if it were a long time.(JW was there for 3 months,LOL)

I love this one
quote JW
"Jose and I had been roommates at the Aspen Academy of Martial Arts in Aspen, Colorado in the summer of 1977."
He ,JW ,Never mentions that it was a ONLY A ONE WEEK CAMP.
(also in his other writings,the camp was in the summer of 1978)

JW says that few people knew of Filipino martial arts then ? (as if he were on the cutting edge of martial training,lol)
People SURE AS CRAP KNEW of Dan Inosanto and JKD then.

http://www.jimwagnertraining.com/images/Inosanto_letter_1981.pdf

This letter from Dan to Jim,as if they were pen pals/friends.
When you read it you see Dan is writing back to JW because JW wanted an autograph for a guy in the Army.
Dan tells him how he will learn much in the Army,I guess JW didn't tell Dan he was getting out of the Army,as the letter is dated a SHORT time befor eJW gets out of the US Army.

JW seems to live in the land of delusion.
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