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[Bryan Lee]

I belong to Bullshido.net, an organization which has had a lot of exposure to Mr. Perkins.

Back in early 2004, he sent a flunky using the screen name "perfection" onto our board and issued an invitation to one of his seminars which was written as a challenge.  One of his instructors David Randell (my spelling may be a bit off) also promoted this challenge.

So we started an on-line fundraiser and got together over $1,000 in less then 48 hours.  We were going to fly out a sambo specialist named Mike MacDonald who used to be a professional fighter for a full contact match.  As Mike's designated lawyer I was about to start drawing up the legal releases when Perkins punked, and put up a notice on his website that none of us were to enter his school.

Then he started spreading the word that Mike was the one who punked, at which point Mike told Perkins through the internet that if he wanted to play such games, Perkins could fly out to his school in California since he had wasted enough of his time.

Some of the relevent threads, which are admittedly hard to sort though are:

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=8998&highlight=%22John+Perkins%22

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=11410&highlight=%22John+Perkins%22

The original thread that started it all.

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=8912&highlight=%22John+Perkins%22

For Comedy

We have two sources who witnessed Perkins shoving subway sandwichs down his throat at at Carl Cestari seminar, instead of getting out on the mat with everyone else including Carl.   He spent the entire seminar watching instead of participating

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1494253&highlight=Cestari+Perkins#post1494253

The entire thread is

 http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=50526&highlight=Cestari+Perkins

In short, if one really desires to work out with WWII combatives, there are any number of people I could recommend instead.  Skip this Perkins guy.

   Samuel, I agree with your conclusions about Perkins but the situation with him leaves me with other questions about how Bullshido chooses to handle situations where members challenge each other to fights. When Dave Humm challenged me directly to fight him through the Bullshido website I responded by offering a window of time to have you yourself write up a fight contract to have a fight in Bangkok Thailand where open gambling could occur with no chance of breaking American or U.K. law and where money could be made by all parties involved as I have no interest in fighting for free. Yet when I offered to sign a fight contract to either put up or shut up Dave Humm it was written off as some kind of joke. In the case of Perkins here such a thing is referred to as him losing his credibility but I myself have never backed down from any fight.

  There is the situation with your member David T. Moraski Jr. aka Fatherdog. The situation where he wanted some kind of showdown in Lumpini parking after he called my wife a whore. The situation where I could not be bothered to travel from the border of Laos to Bangkok because I was being trolled on the internet. Let me ask you this, If you were my lawyer would you advise me to meet someone in a parking lot after they called my wife a whore? Yet this is referenced by some as me being dishonest which led to me being labeled as a liar on your forum.

   While it is true that I cannot fight every person that would like to punch me in the face, characterizing me as someone who is unwilling to fight (A Coward) is not honest. I for one would like to see you go back and reread much of what went on back in 2006/2007 and correct that but I know your a busy guy and that's asking much, maybe to much.

  Maybe this will help, I'm willing to sign any fight contract you want to write up to have me fight either Dave Humm or David Moraski  in Bangkok Thailand by any rule set that allows for striking which includes MMA, Muay Thai, Combat Sambo, or a variation. The only things I ask is for are 3 months from time of signing to the time of the actual fight, no liability, no weigh in, and open gambling in order to get some local interest. There you have it, pretty much cut and dried.

[Bri Thai]

The Bllshido people have done some good work exposing idiots like Dan Webre and Phil Elmore.  But they have no real credibility.  They are too quick to call "Bullshit" on things that they haven't even seen, and then hide behind cheap shots and poor jokes rather than admit they were wrong.

[whitewolf]

Bryon-just MHO but i  would not even get envolved with crazies tha challenge on the internet and insult people-take care of your family/instruct/learn and have a good time in life-whitewolf (el   lobo blanco)

[Samuel Browning]

   Samuel, I agree with your conclusions about Perkins but the situation with him leaves me with other questions about how Bullshido chooses to handle situations where members challenge each other to fights. When Dave Humm challenged me directly to fight him through the Bullshido website I responded by offering a window of time to have you yourself write up a fight contract to have a fight in Bangkok Thailand where open gambling could occur with no chance of breaking American or U.K. law and where money could be made by all parties involved as I have no interest in fighting for free. Yet when I offered to sign a fight contract to either put up or shut up Dave Humm it was written off as some kind of joke. In the case of Perkins here such a thing is referred to as him losing his credibility but I myself have never backed down from any fight.

  There is the situation with your member David T. Moraski Jr. aka Fatherdog. The situation where he wanted some kind of showdown in Lumpini parking after he called my wife a whore. The situation where I could not be bothered to travel from the border of Laos to Bangkok because I was being trolled on the internet. Let me ask you this, If you were my lawyer would you advise me to meet someone in a parking lot after they called my wife a whore? Yet this is referenced by some as me being dishonest which led to me being labeled as a liar on your forum.

   While it is true that I cannot fight every person that would like to punch me in the face, characterizing me as someone who is unwilling to fight (A Coward) is not honest. I for one would like to see you go back and reread much of what went on back in 2006/2007 and correct that but I know your a busy guy and that's asking much, maybe to much.

  Maybe this will help, I'm willing to sign any fight contract you want to write up to have me fight either Dave Humm or David Moraski  in Bangkok Thailand by any rule set that allows for striking which includes MMA, Muay Thai, Combat Sambo, or a variation. The only things I ask is for are 3 months from time of signing to the time of the actual fight, no liability, no weigh in, and open gambling in order to get some local interest. There you have it, pretty much cut and dried.

Usually, Bullshido.net, as an entity, does not supervise or coordinate challenge fights.  I can think of three instances since 2003 in which I have even been asked to draft paperwork and agreed to help out.  In two of these instances (one being with Perkins) the fight never took place.  The one that did, was Anthony against Rudy in Miami, Florida.  In a boxing ring, with a ref, contracts, and the event was videotaped and put on the net. 

Normally we don't get involved because people don't want to do it with the safeguards that the staff feel would be necessary to prevent someone from getting seriously hurt.  For example Omar and Kat were going to fight in a parking lot and we the staff said, its an Omar/Kat fight, not a Bullshido approved event though both parties certainly trash talked each other on Bullshido.  For John Perkins we made a very rare exception because he challenged our entire board through his minions, and had he fought it would have definately advanced the interests of the MA community.

Now onto Mr Lee's situation.  I don't have time to re-read all the relevent threads, but I do remember that you exchanged words with Humm and fatherdog, though I do not remember how it came about except that fatherdog did call your wife a whore.

I don't remember being asked to draft paperwork, but there is probably some post in which I was asked, and I either missed it, or shrugged it off because I didn't want to get involved in the circus.

If I was your lawyer?  Lets see, I would have recommended that if you were going to fight fatherdog that you demand that as a condition it happen in a proper ring, with a ref, and if he didn't agree, he could go pound sand.

Realistically the fight with Humm was not going to happen with you in Thailand, and he in England but I don't remember who made the initial challenge and therefore had the obligation to travel.

[Bryan Lee]

   Samuel, I agree with your conclusions about Perkins but the situation with him leaves me with other questions about how Bullshido chooses to handle situations where members challenge each other to fights. When Dave Humm challenged me directly to fight him through the Bullshido website I responded by offering a window of time to have you yourself write up a fight contract to have a fight in Bangkok Thailand where open gambling could occur with no chance of breaking American or U.K. law and where money could be made by all parties involved as I have no interest in fighting for free. Yet when I offered to sign a fight contract to either put up or shut up Dave Humm it was written off as some kind of joke. In the case of Perkins here such a thing is referred to as him losing his credibility but I myself have never backed down from any fight.

  There is the situation with your member David T. Moraski Jr. aka Fatherdog. The situation where he wanted some kind of showdown in Lumpini parking after he called my wife a whore. The situation where I could not be bothered to travel from the border of Laos to Bangkok because I was being trolled on the internet. Let me ask you this, If you were my lawyer would you advise me to meet someone in a parking lot after they called my wife a whore? Yet this is referenced by some as me being dishonest which led to me being labeled as a liar on your forum.

   While it is true that I cannot fight every person that would like to punch me in the face, characterizing me as someone who is unwilling to fight (A Coward) is not honest. I for one would like to see you go back and reread much of what went on back in 2006/2007 and correct that but I know your a busy guy and that's asking much, maybe to much.

  Maybe this will help, I'm willing to sign any fight contract you want to write up to have me fight either Dave Humm or David Moraski  in Bangkok Thailand by any rule set that allows for striking which includes MMA, Muay Thai, Combat Sambo, or a variation. The only things I ask is for are 3 months from time of signing to the time of the actual fight, no liability, no weigh in, and open gambling in order to get some local interest. There you have it, pretty much cut and dried.

Usually, Bullshido.net, as an entity, does not supervise or coordinate challenge fights.  I can think of three instances since 2003 in which I have even been asked to draft paperwork and agreed to help out.  In two of these instances (one being with Perkins) the fight never took place.  The one that did, was Anthony against Rudy in Miami, Florida.  In a boxing ring, with a ref, contracts, and the event was videotaped and put on the net. 

Normally we don't get involved because people don't want to do it with the safeguards that the staff feel would be necessary to prevent someone from getting seriously hurt.  For example Omar and Kat were going to fight in a parking lot and we the staff said, its an Omar/Kat fight, not a Bullshido approved event though both parties certainly trash talked each other on Bullshido.  For John Perkins we made a very rare exception because he challenged our entire board through his minions, and had he fought it would have definately advanced the interests of the MA community.

Now onto Mr Lee's situation.  I don't have time to re-read all the relevent threads, but I do remember that you exchanged words with Humm and fatherdog, though I do not remember how it came about except that fatherdog did call your wife a whore.

I don't remember being asked to draft paperwork, but there is probably some post in which I was asked, and I either missed it, or shrugged it off because I didn't want to get involved in the circus.

If I was your lawyer?  Lets see, I would have recommended that if you were going to fight fatherdog that you demand that as a condition it happen in a proper ring, with a ref, and if he didn't agree, he could go pound sand.

Realistically the fight with Humm was not going to happen with you in Thailand, and he in England but I don't remember who made the initial challenge and therefore had the obligation to travel.

  Samuel, If I remember correctly the first post I made as a reply to Dave Humm when he challenged me to a fight was for you as a lawyer to draw up a contract. I do not remember you ever responding and it was a circus but in the end even though he directly challenged me he refused to travel or sign a contract. To be honest, I'm not that interested in him and doubt many people would be interested in seeing us fight.

  In the case of Moraski aka Fatherdog, he had offered to look at some documents then became demanding and later hostile and attacked my wife. Then started the entire thing calling me a coward for not meeting him in Bangkok for some kind of confrontation. Not that I'm scared or fear confrontation I just didn't see any point in traveling to meet a hostile person in my adopted home of Thailand. Neither did I feel it was fare of him to drag his friends Thai family into the situation during the week of their wedding and undoubtedly that would have happened if you know anything about Thailand.  It does not seem correct for your website to label me as a liar and coward based on that situation. Sure I know its a joke for most people but I have never had anyone call me a liar or coward in my life so having people calling my wife a whore then calling me a coward for not meeting them because I considered them hostile did not seem correct but I don't tell you guys how to run your website.

  I did loose my temper somewhat and post some things that reflect that but I have moved on. It would be great if the record reflected the truth about Fatherdog but I'm not holding my breath on that situation. If he is interested to fight me I'm willing to work with you on terms and contracts as I have not forgotten about him. If he is not interested then the record should reflect that but again, I don't tell you guys how to run things. I have always considered both you and Asia honest brokers, that has not changed.

[Nick Hughes]

Bryan,

Is there some reason you cut and paste the entire post of each preceding message before you reply?

Nick

[Bryan Lee]

Bryan,

Is there some reason you cut and paste the entire post of each preceding message before you reply?

Nick

  Nick, I have a habit of doing that because people tend to go back and rewrite things in editing. No reflection on Samuel as here it was done out of habit. So now you know one of the tricks of the trade, if you want to know anything else just send me a PM.

[Samuel Browning]

The Bllshido people have done some good work exposing idiots like Dan Webre and Phil Elmore.  But they have no real credibility.  They are too quick to call "Bullshit" on things that they haven't even seen, and then hide behind cheap shots and poor jokes rather than admit they were wrong.

May I also recommend our four person review of Lt. X's dvd?

http://www.bullshido.com/articles/top-secret-training-and-lieutenant-x.html

[Wardog]

  You would think at a certain age challenging each other to fights would end. Let alone travelling a thousand miles to fight somebody.  I watched this whole thing go down on Kanarek's site, where because a guy was called on his credentials he(not Kanarek, one of his BB's) wanted to fight me. Hell, I didn't even claim to be able to kick his ass just noticed some things didn't make sense, credential-wise. 

I realize we are talking ring fights not street fights but then the claim that the person could kick the guys ass if it was on the street and not under "ring rules" would surface. Shouldn't we, as adults,  just walk away from this stuff?  Hell, you would be awfully busy fighting every MA guy who has inflated his talents, knowingly or out of sheer ignorance of what he really can do. If a guy walks in to your club and calls you out I guess he and you are sort of obligated to step on the mat.  Lord knows, enough guys have shot their mouths off in clubs about how much better they would do it but won't set foot on the mat. They just happened to have a bad knee the day they chose to make a scene.  Both the needing to pretend you are way better than you are and the need to settle things with fights if you are over 30(that's being generous) seems a tad immature. The lesson always seemed to be that it was a last resort to escalate it not to punch it out everytime your ego gets bruised.

  If you are 6'5, reasonably skilled and in wicked shape you may be able to kick a smaller more skilled fighter's butt but that doesn't mean you really trained under Bruce Lee or jumped out of planes.  You could still be the biggest liar, credential-wise, in the world and be tough. 

 Expose the liars all you want but beating each other up over a few unfriendly words seem the antithesis of everything we are taught.  A guy comes in your club and starts a fight finish him off but because of a Bullshido post? 

[lakerssportsfan]

Mr. Browning,

Perhaps you can take some time to answer a few questions about yourself.

What martial arts do you train in?

What martial arts have you trained in and for how long?  Do you instruct in these arts?  Are you affiliated with any arts, instructors, or systems?

thanks

[Samuel Browning]

I used to train in Wing Chun, and then before my back went out, I studied BJJ in what was the Gracie Training Network, and which is now a Royce Gracie affiliated School.  To be specific I trained with Jim Hughes who is in West Hartford, CT.

I also went through several mens courses with Impact/Model Mugging in Boston in the early 1990s.

I've trained at several schools teaching kickboxing, but nope, I never competed in a formal event for kickboxing, though I did participate in the novice divisions of NAGA back in the 1990s.  I lost more grappling matches then I won in NAGA

I do not have a black belt and have never taught martial arts.

Anything else?

[Samuel Browning]

  You would think at a certain age challenging each other to fights would end. Let alone travelling a thousand miles to fight somebody.  I watched this whole thing go down on Kanarek's site, where because a guy was called on his credentials he(not Kanarek, one of his BB's) wanted to fight me. Hell, I didn't even claim to be able to kick his ass just noticed some things didn't make sense, credential-wise. 

I realize we are talking ring fights not street fights but then the claim that the person could kick the guys ass if it was on the street and not under "ring rules" would surface. Shouldn't we, as adults,  just walk away from this stuff?  Hell, you would be awfully busy fighting every MA guy who has inflated his talents, knowingly or out of sheer ignorance of what he really can do. If a guy walks in to your club and calls you out I guess he and you are sort of obligated to step on the mat.  Lord knows, enough guys have shot their mouths off in clubs about how much better they would do it but won't set foot on the mat. They just happened to have a bad knee the day they chose to make a scene.  Both the needing to pretend you are way better than you are and the need to settle things with fights if you are over 30(that's being generous) seems a tad immature. The lesson always seemed to be that it was a last resort to escalate it not to punch it out everytime your ego gets bruised.

  If you are 6'5, reasonably skilled and in wicked shape you may be able to kick a smaller more skilled fighter's butt but that doesn't mean you really trained under Bruce Lee or jumped out of planes.  You could still be the biggest liar, credential-wise, in the world and be tough. 

 Expose the liars all you want but beating each other up over a few unfriendly words seem the antithesis of everything we are taught.  A guy comes in your club and starts a fight finish him off but because of a Bullshido post? 

Because of our light moderation/no holds barred discussion policy at Bullshido.net, we do not shut down the conversation when two people have cross words with each other.  If they indicate that they want to fight each other, we will suggest that they find a ring where they can carry out such activities legally, and with more safety measures then they would have in a street fight.  We do not have a policy of encouraging such fights because we have a lot of drama as it is, but we do not lock threads as they would, say at Martial Arts Planet.  We will ban someone if they indicate they wish to meet someone without their permission for the purpose of fighting them.  We do not condone criminal assault, but we are also not net nannies.

[Benjamin Liu]

   Shouldn't we, as adults,  just walk away from this stuff? 

Both the needing to pretend you are way better than you are and the need to settle things with fights if you are over 30(that's being generous) seems a tad immature.

The key words here are "adults" and "immature."

I've been saying for a long time that once a guy is out of high school that he shouldn't really get into many fights unless he was a cop, soldier, bouncer, mental health worker, security, etc. and it was job-related.

[Bryan Lee]

  For the record I did not start a seperate Bullshido Questions thread here but I do think it was fair for a Mod to take these posts and create it.


  I'm not a proponent of meeting every person on the net who bad mouths you for a showdown. In fact I'm totally against it, that is showing up and confronting people and here is why. Lets say Jackass A shows up and confronts Jackass B in the parking lot of Jackass Bs place of business. Jackass A is wearing his leatherman so Jackass B having a concealed carry permit  now drops him in his tracks unloading the gun on Jackass A. Now Jackass A is dead, end of story, not exactly. This is when the lawyers get busy but I will not bother with that aspect of this scenario.

 
  Samuel has been very respectful of the situation on Bullshido and even went as far as being the single person who mailed me an apology and stated that the attack on wife was not correct. However it is not their policy to remove or delete such things or make people who take things to far back their shit up. What I do not want to see here is some kind of attack on Samuel as he does not deserve that. He is on record as not being any kind of bad ass, in fact it is my understanding he is himself a lawyer and I have no reason to question that. I have never confirmed that his name is actually Samuel Browning or that he is a lawyer but that is of no matter to me. There is no reason to drag him into the mud because he is a mod on another forum, enough about that.

[Bri Thai]

The Bllshido people have done some good work exposing idiots like Dan Webre and Phil Elmore.  But they have no real credibility.  They are too quick to call "Bullshit" on things that they haven't even seen, and then hide behind cheap shots and poor jokes rather than admit they were wrong.

May I also recommend our four person review of Lt. X's dvd?

http://www.bullshido.com/articles/top-secret-training-and-lieutenant-x.html

Not sure what your point is mate?  Is it along the lines of "This one guy was shit, and we said so.... so we must be good?"  If so, that is pretty illogical.