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Author Topic: Palms/wrists in or out in knife defence guard  (Read 1386 times)

Paul Steadman

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Palms/wrists in or out in knife defence guard
« on: August 06, 2008, 09:11:45 AM »

Hi All,

Any ideas (facts/research) on the palms/wrists [or back of hands/forearms] being pointed towards the defender/opponent in unarmed knife defence guard, gee wiz... think I confused myself. You know, ye olde; 'keep your palms/wrists towards yourself and present the back of your hands/forearms toward the knife assailant, so you don't bleed to death if you are cut while defending yourself!" Insert; description on how some people commit sideways by cutting their inside wrists (across the bones)!

I read a book on "ninpo," knife fighting by Dr. R. Kelly Hill back in the late 80s, one of S. K. Hayes' (drum roll please- 'The western worlds foremost authority on ninjutsu' - fade drum roll) students. Dr. R. Hill stated (from my recolection) that the veins/arteries in the back of the hand are the most vulnerable to incessant bleeding.

Any one.....?

Cheers from Australia,



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Re: Palms/wrists in or out in knife defence guard
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2008, 10:24:21 AM »

In short, you are discussing a knife versus knife duel - one of four generic knife fight confrontations...

1) Knife vs hand
2) knife vs stick (or any impact weapons)
3) Knife vs knife (or any edged weapons)
4) Knife vs gun threats

Of these super generic would have to worry about your wrists/inner arm muscles if you were fighting...
Unarmed vs the knife attacker.
Weaponed versus a knife attacker.

It is not crazy or unsound to try to keep your hands turned in, BUT! In the fight, when you strike, grab or grapple, or just reach out to do MUST at some point expose those body parts! Its sort of like the whole fighting stance theory discussed here:

        a way. If you can make the same jump/connection conclusions between the discussion of the hip front or back with the hands turned in or out. So in a quick defense moves? Sure, turn limbs in. But you can't stay like this through a whole fight. When fully engaged in the scenario, a stance is usually gone, and it almost becomes almost impossible to maintain a statue-perfect, fighting stance with all body positions in perfect photo posture...limbs turned in...when battling the bad guy.

(And if someone takes a still picture of you in this take-action process, this still photo can be misconstrued by morons and simpletons who complain you are untrained and unfoolish because you were not protecting these body parts versus a knife.)
« Last Edit: August 06, 2008, 03:55:33 PM by Hock »