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[Kevbo]

I live in a somewhat snmall community where I am know by many of the locals. I often get asked why I spend so much time training in self defense. I usualy respond by asking them why they don't. My most common response is I don't need that
"HI-YA' crap I own a gun! I respond by asking if they carry one 24/7 and if they know how to keep someone from taking it from them.There response is usually a blank stare and a change of subject.

I own firearms myself,but they are only a tool and different jobs require different tools.

[Professor]

I live in a somewhat snmall community where I am know by many of the locals. I often get asked why I spend so much time training in self defense. I usualy respond by asking them why they don't. My most common response is I don't need that
"HI-YA' crap I own a gun! I respond by asking if they carry one 24/7 and if they know how to keep someone from taking it from them.There response is usually a blank stare and a change of subject.

I own firearms myself,but they are only a tool and different jobs require different tools.

Welcome to the forum.

I was discussing concealed handguns with my neighbor tonight.....deer hunter....sometime deer in the headlights....

[Joe Hubbard]

It is important to remember that a gun, similarly to a knife or any other weapon for that matter is not the last word in equalisation.  OK, I know you are going to compare this to a “rock, scissors & paper” metaphor, but what I am saying is that carrying any of these weapons on their own with no unarmed support training can be a big mistake for many.  Why?  Because things go wrong:  People drop knives and impact weapons all the time.  Guns jam frequently.  Remember Hock’s palm-to-palm sensitivity quick draw drill?  Often it is better if you are slightly behind the curve to jam the gun being drawn first and then draw your weapon for your counter.  You will not be successful with this concept unless you posses ample H2H ability.  Funny the untrained still live vicariously through action movies.

Ciao

Joe

[jmech]

This seems to be a very common attitude among certain groups of people.  I don't know how many times I've had people say "oh you know martial arts, well I know 'ching-ching pow'" as they simulate a rack-and-shoot motion.  I think it shows a laziness in survival training-Why spend years training when I can just go buy a gun for a couple hundred bucks?  Kind of like "why should I eat right and exercise when I could just buy this simple exercise device off of the infomercial, use it 2 minutes a day, and burn off 400 pounds in a month-all for 12 easy payments of $39.95?"

What these people dont (or don't want to) understand is that not all situations justify deadly force.  I like to ask these peolple if they would shoot Uncle Bob who just happened to have a little too much to drink at the family reunion and gets a little out of hand?  Or would they shoot someone who just grabs their shirt and talks smack to them?  And if they say yes, I ask them if they have a good attorney or a lifetime supply of soap-on-a-rope....  A perfect case study is law enforcement.  Every cop has a handgun on them, yet the overall majority will go their entire careers without firing them at a bad guy.  However, the majority will have used their OC spray, and empty hand control tactics.

These people have to learn that the firearm is one of many self-defense tools, and perhaps the one with the most limited applications.  It is not the Remote Control of self-defense.

Just my $0.02, pre-tax

Joe Mech
http://www.defensequest.com

[Lance_Larsen]

What these people dont (or don't want to) understand is that not all situations justify deadly force.

Oddly enough many of the people I've met who are like that don't have a Permit to Carry, and even if they did they wouldn't even be able to draw it from concealment smoothly.  Some of them think they are invincible because they have a gun locked away in a safe somewhere.  Makes no sense to me.

It reminds me of the "don't take a knife to a gunfight" crowd.  Up close and personal I'll take a knife any day of the week.

To me a gun is like any other piece of life saving equipment, similar to a fire extinguisher.  When you need it, you really need it badly, and you darn well better know how it works.  Why would someone take the time to learn CPR?  Because when you need it, you really need it badly.  You don't need to know how to drive on ice until you hit a slick spot--then it's too late.

But I think what it all comes down to is that if they act any way other than that then they will be admitting to themselves that they are not prepared for the worst.  And that scares them.

[Nick Hughes]

I was interviewed about this very subject for a radio show the other day.  Some things to mention to your gun toting amigos...
There's more places in town that you legally can't carry than you can...i.e. Post Office, ABC store, Governement buildings, Banks, anywhere serving alcohol, etc.

Are they aware of the "Twenty-one foot rule?"

What would they have done on the planes the morning of 9/11

What are they going to use overseas?

What are they going to use when they travel interstate and their CCW isn't valid?

N

[Professor]

I was interviewed about this very subject for a radio show the other day.  Some things to mention to your gun toting amigos...
There's more places in town that you legally can't carry than you can...i.e. Post Office, ABC store, Governement buildings, Banks, anywhere serving alcohol, etc.

N

It's a bit different in in Texas . . .

Summary of restirctions are below.  Full description can be found at: (http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/ftp/forms/ls-16.pdf):

Handguns and other weapons can not be carried at schools or on
school buses, at polling places, in courts and court offices, at racetracks,
at secured airport areas or within 1,000 feet of the premises of
an execution on the day the execution. The law also specifically prohibits
handguns from businesses where alcohol is sold if more than
half of their revenue is from the sale of alcohol for on-premises consumption,
and from locations where high school, college or professional
sporting events are taking place. You may not carry handguns
in hospitals or nursing homes, amusement parks, places of worship or
at government meetings if signs are posted prohibiting them. Businesses
also may post signs prohibiting handguns on their premises
based on criminal trespass laws.

What are they going to use when they travel interstate and their CCW isn't valid?

I also have a Pennsylvania license:




Living with only one mode of defense is asking for trouble, but it's also the same with some martial artist....I don't need my CCW permit..I have my knife and I have skills....besides, I can't carry a gun everywhere.

I layer my defenses.....but, I'm not a common university faculty member.

[trbtacmedic]

O.K. bro you have opened a can of worms here but you and I have the same attitude on this subject. But most folks dont think about when thier gun jams or a round won't fire. So you may have to bring up such points with them. Plus most folks have the attitude that martial arts are guys yelling and beating the crap out of each other in black and white jammies, so you may have to educate the ignorant as to what it is you are really doing, and tell them that you also use guns.

[Professor]

Plus most folks martial artist have the attitude that martial arts gun guys are punching holes in targets rather than yelling and beating the crap out of each other in black and white jammies, so you may have to educate the ignorant martial artist as to what it is you are really doing, and tell them that you also use guns other means of self-defense.

Welcome to the Forum.


We can't be too hard on the gun nuts or them us.  They are at least training to defend themselves.  In the gun world, they talk about people learning to use guns for self defense -- if you truly think about it 7595% of the karate guys have trained to use a gun for defense.   Many of them of current instructors trained in martial arts for years before training with a gun for self defense.    Pot and kettle come to mind.

We are in a very small groups of people who study a comprehensive set of self-defense tools.

Respectfully,

Jeff

[Nick Hughes]

Shite Professor, don't scare me like that.  I saw your maps and thought it was the latest election polls...

[Chuck Burnett]

Hock has been a trend leader in integrating all your fighting options seamlessly.
The blind spots persist however.

Some shooters denigrate "chop-sockey" artists. Some empty hand guys laugh at "gun nuts".

The skilled fighter is adept with hand, stick, knife, and gun ( and barstool, screwdriver, oven cleaner, golf club, crossbow, etc.) and uses whatever tool he has and needs to win.

To think that a gun is the answer to every situation is as naive as saying you can best stop a Columbine with an eye jab.

"If all you have is a hammer...."

(Mumbles to self) Big tool box, big tool box, definitely.

Chuck