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Author Topic: Ok, stupid question, Tapi? Palis?  (Read 2875 times)

Robert Robbins

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Ok, stupid question, Tapi? Palis?
« on: October 29, 2008, 09:20:10 AM »

What exactly is meant by the term Tapi-tapi?  I know is is  Modern Arnis terminology, but what does it refer to technique wise? 

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Re: Ok, stupid question...
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2008, 10:08:10 AM »

Can mean a few things through time...

Counter-counter
Counter for counter
Trapping hands
Tapping the palm or back of the hands on the opponent (usually his limbs)
Some particular Filipino flow-like drills that go under different names for different systems

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Re: Ok, stupid question...
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2008, 10:27:53 AM »

That wasn't a stupid question.  If I'd have thought about it, I'd have asked it myself.


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Re: Ok, stupid question...
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2008, 10:38:43 AM »

So, how does this relate to palis-palis, hubud-lubud, etc...
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Re: Ok, stupid question...
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2008, 11:38:09 AM »

Palis Palis usually means "pass-pass" or "going with the force."

Guess what...passing is also counter and can fit into the BIG category of counter-counter or counter for counter.

Hubad is a short nickname for "Higo Hubad-Lubad" or "to blend, to tie to untie." 
(Remember hubud...with a "u" not an "a" translates to "naked above the waist" in Tagalog. It is huBAD, with an "a". Hubad-Lubad.) It most generally means "block, pass and pin." It too...is a counter.

A lot of FMA systems cling to their specific applications of the names, forgetting and foregoing the bigger FMA picture and what the words mean.

I wouldn't argue much with anyone about the precise definitions. Differing systems had differing labels. Add to that foreign language issues and we Americans, Canadian and Brits have a small mess to decipher.

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Re: Ok, stupid question...
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2008, 03:45:34 PM »

 What the Modern Arnis of today calls tapi tapi, we called the basic sparring drill. Anding De Leon was my formal instructor for years, from 1993 up until the death of Remy and was a student of Remys' from the days of his teaching in the Phillipines. Anding never called it tapi tapi ,and all the times we did it with Remy, I never heard him call it tapi tapi. What we did call tapi tapi was the trait or act of the live hand hitting or checking your body or the opponent. Something that is hard to do if you think about it or for new students. through time though you find your self sort of slapping your arm or side of the legs after blocks or strikes, it becomes natural. It helps keep the live hand live and is sort of a reference of placement. It also helps with inserts and checking the opponent. This is what I was tought as tapi tapi.


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Re: Ok, stupid question, Tapi? Palis?
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2008, 09:27:47 AM »

When you have a force-to-force crash or encounter...say forearm to forearm is common. There are two ways to pass it. Surrender and Blend

1) Force hits force. Block/stop it, then surrender to the force. "Surrender" your foream by bending it in and back, trying to control the direction of opposing force to pass it.

2) Blending with the force. Not a hard hit, force-to-force encounter, but rather a intuitive blending connection with the incoming force. This passing can be assisted by your other arm.

There are versions of the Hubad that cover both of these. The common Hubad is a force-to-force/surrender-to-the force version. The faster you go, the more it looks like a skillful blending.

Remember my BIG 4 ARM DELIVERIES concepts...empty hand or armed?
        1) power lunge
        2) hit and retract
        3) thrust
        4) hook

Scientifically.. YOU CANNOT PASS A HIT-AND-RETRACT! It...hits and retracts. Nothing to
                    pass.

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