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Author Topic: Obama's Proposed Chief of Staff Favors Compulsory Universal Service  (Read 2386 times)

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Rep. Rahm Emanuel wants to force people 18 to 25 to labor for the government.Rep. Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, President-Elect Barack Obama's choice for chief of staff in his incoming administration, is co-author of a book, The Plan: Big Ideas for America, that calls for, among other things, compulsory service for all Americans ages 18 to 25. The following excerpt is from pages 61-62 of the 2006 book:
It's time for a real Patriot Act that brings out the patriot in all of us. We propose universal civilian service for every young American. Under this plan, All Americans between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five will be asked to serve their country by going through three months of basic training, civil defense preparation and community service. ...

Here's how it would work. Young people will know that between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five, the nation will enlist them for three months of civilian service. They'll be asked to report for three months of basic civil defense training in their state or community, where they will learn what to do in the event of biochemical, nuclear or conventional attack; how to assist others in an evacuation; how to respond when a levee breaks or we're hit by a natural disaster. These young people will be available to address their communities' most pressing needs.

Emanuel and co-author Bruce Reed insist "this is not a draft," but go on to write of young men and women, "the nation will enlist them for three months of civilian service." They also warn, "ome Republicans will squeal about individual freedom," ruling out any likelihood that they would let people opt out of universal citizen service. As chief of staff, Emanuel will not be in a position to directly introduce public policy, but his enthusiasm for compulsory service, combined with Barack Obama's own plan to require high school students to perform 50 hours of government-approved service, suggest an unfortunate direction for the new administration.

(http://www.examiner.com/x-536-Civil-Lib ... al-service)
Of course, Barack Obama could be playing the usual politician's game of throwing empty words at an audience, without worrying overly much about their meaning. But his campaign has put forward a detailed plan for national service, and on close inspection, it's clear that he really does mean "universal." And while there's no call for old-fashioned conscription, his national service carrots are matched by very modern sticks that introduce almost as much compulsion as the old kind.

In fact, Obama's national service plan is "voluntary" in a technical sense -- nobody will be arrested for declining to participate. But non-participants also won't be allowed to graduate from high school, and without those diplomas, life could get a bit rough.

Obama's national service plan (PDF) says:

Schools that require service as part of the educational experience create improved learning environments and serve as resources for their communities. The Obama-Biden plan sets a goal for all students to engage in service, with middle and high school students performing 50 hours of service each year, and college students performing 100 hours of service each year. Under this plan, students would graduate college with as many as 17 weeks of public service experience under their belts.
But schools set their own policies, don't they? Well ... sort of. You see, as the saying goes, "he who takes the king's coin becomes the king's man." And most public schools depend on federal dollars. As Obama elaborated in a speech last December, "At the middle and high school level, we'll make federal assistance conditional on school districts developing service programs, and give schools resources to offer new service opportunities."

So, it won't be the nasty federal government forcing your kids to donate their time to government-approved service, it'll be the local schools -- but that requirement will be the among the strings attached to federal money.

Under Barack Obama's plan, a refusal to participate in a national service program touted at the federal level will be punished by the withholding of high school diplomas by the school district in your town. And without that diploma, few colleges or employers will even bother to look at your application.

It's a softer sort of authoritarianism which requires no draft boards, muddles the identity of the "bad guy" and produces no martyrs in handcuffs for the evening news. You just can't get a job if you don't do as you're told.

Such "soft" mandates are easier to escape than the old draft. Private schools will still be able to set their own criteria for graduation, as will homeschoolers. At least, they will so long as they can resist social pressure to conform to the requirements imposed by public schools.

And 50 hours of service isn't exactly a tour in the rice paddies. Most people will just roll their eyes and do what it takes to get that diploma. (The 100 hours required of college students will be in return for a $4,000 grant, which amounts less to conscription than to the world's most expensive work-study scheme.)

But make no mistake: Barack Obama wants your kids. And he's willing to draft them, in a plausibly deniable way.
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Re: Obama's Proposed Chief of Staff Favors Compulsory Universal Service
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2008, 10:06:40 AM »

Compulsory service is a good thing.   I wish it was there when I was 18 - 25.


Three months is too short -- Three years is too long.



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Re: Obama's Proposed Chief of Staff Favors Compulsory Universal Service
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2008, 10:48:01 AM »

Negative!

Service should be voluntary, and voluntary only! This is still a free country from what I understand, and you should have the freedom to decide to serve that country any way you see fit.
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Re: Obama's Proposed Chief of Staff Favors Compulsory Universal Service
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2008, 11:17:35 AM »

Given that the military is not screaming for a reinstatement of the draft - which I think comes from the problems it faced when it had a large number of unmotivated/unwilling draftees during the war in Viet Nam - I kinda agree with the keep it voluntary idea.

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Re: Obama's Proposed Chief of Staff Favors Compulsory Universal Service
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2008, 11:30:20 AM »

 I am with Keith. Voluntary only. There may be some selling points to mandatory service but....
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Re: Obama's Proposed Chief of Staff Favors Compulsory Universal Service
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2008, 01:06:43 PM »

A big problem I have is who gets to decide what is and isn't a "government approved" social service.

Private high schools are going to bloom up if Obama's system goes into place. My kids go to a catholic school that already requires them to do 100 hours of community service to graduate but we have input as to what that service can be. In principle, then, I'm not against local public schools requiring community service but I have a big problem with  federal bureaucrats deciding what is and isn't such service.
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Re: Obama's Proposed Chief of Staff Favors Compulsory Universal Service
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2008, 02:18:05 PM »

I agree that it depends what sort of service we are talking about here, and how much of a time commitment (and if it's paid).  mandatory military?  No, not unless there's an army crawling up our beaches.  But, like some other countries, we might consider some sort of brief time for serving one's country in a civilian-skill area.   Not sure it would hurt much for a short time, and it might lead to better national preparedness for what could be ugly in the future as well as leading to jobs for some kids if they do well.  It's worth a thought, but leave it to the government to screw up a good idea with too many crappy details.

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Re: Obama's Proposed Chief of Staff Favors Compulsory Universal Service
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2008, 04:06:42 PM »

IRRC there was something called the 13th Amendment banning slavery or involuntary servitude except as punishment for a crime.  Maybe I have an un-PC copy of the Constitution or something like that.  ::)

I'm not an Objectivist, but this is a good quote for the situation:

It only stands to reason that where there's sacrifice, there's someone collecting the sacrificial offerings. Where there's service, there is someone being served. The man who speaks to you of sacrifice is speaking of slaves and masters, and intends to be the master.

-Ayn Rand


No matter how you frame it, this is involuntary servitude and is unConstitutional.
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Re: Obama's Proposed Chief of Staff Favors Compulsory Universal Service
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2008, 06:30:32 PM »

If I were an evac/security specialist working New Orleans after Katrina I don't know that I would want a bunch of 18-25 year olds with only 3 months of any training being sent their to get in the way.
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Re: Obama's Proposed Chief of Staff Favors Compulsory Universal Service
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2008, 07:30:07 PM »

and the propaganda begins. (Where's Hitler's Youth)

Generation WE : The Movement Begins...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vknHKTy1MLY
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Re: Obama's Proposed Chief of Staff Favors Compulsory Universal Service
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2008, 03:29:47 PM »

I note that this next generation has no unattractive people with acne, bad teeth or weight problems.

Also, the video said that this generation is the best educated ever. Within seconds the video then states that the education system is failing. Where did everyone get educated then, MoveOn.org? It does not add up...
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Re: Obama's Proposed Chief of Staff Favors Compulsory Universal Service
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2008, 05:43:26 PM »

Leaning to take care of yourself in a civil emergency instead of relying on someone else to save you? pfft no brainer there. I think its a good idea
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Re: Obama's Proposed Chief of Staff Favors Compulsory Universal Service
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2008, 09:03:41 PM »

Yes, military service should be voluntary.

However, civil service should be mandatory.   

We have social service that everyone EXPECTS.   Everyone should also be expected to contribute (taxes and time).


It is an American mistakes not to require (SOMETHING) of citizens.  Makes everyone lazy and feeling entitled to get something.   Everyone should be required to do SOMETHING.
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Re: Obama's Proposed Chief of Staff Favors Compulsory Universal Service
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2008, 09:12:30 PM »

That would be slavery or involuntary servitude, but dressed up in PC language.

That's something for the commies, not a free republic.

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