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A GYM within a GYM?
« on: December 31, 2008, 08:33:21 AM »

A Gym within a GYM
or
Billy Banks is Still Alive and Well...In a Way

Slaving away at this new Combat Centric News Service the month of December, 2008 also meant researching and interviewing several hundreds of new contacts and related business issues. AND I could not help but notice a martial business trend these last years. I report this with no MA politics involved. Just clean, business observations.

What I want to talk about is the "gym within a gym."
That is to say, a health club, with many services and traditional martial arts and maybe a little more. In fact, this is where I started, teaching for almost ten years in a Golds Gym. But I was virtually ignored and unsupported by the staff. But there was people traffic, and I NEVER cleaned a bathroom. If you get my drift.

I have taught all over the world. I took a long look at many schools and organizations and could not ignore the fact gyms within gyms can work. And lately, in these bad economic times, take for one one big example case study, the Los Angles based, Levine Krav Maga.

The Levine Los Angeles Krav Maga business model still has a large pack of survivors after their worldwide, financial bloodletting, since their explosive appeareance years ago. Water eventually seeks its own level. Their deathknell was from two major business points -
 
   a) they just cost way too much, and
   b) Israeli-born, Krav competition moved in and undercut them - real military vets from
       the homeland "invaded" in at cut rates.

If you make a study of these L.A. Krav survivors you will see many of them are also in the fitness and gym  business from Cross-Fit to regular gym set-ups. They are in essense, established full-blown gyms and fitness people, who also do Krav Maga and old Billy Banks Thai Bo style. The owners/managers are usually actively involved. You might say they are also in the lose-weight/diet industry and we know what an outreach program that can be!

The drop-out failures were mostly people who just do just fighting, do only martial arts, who for years used their -say - Tae Kwon Do incomes to also pay off their L.A. Krav franchise fees. The MA and MMA people had financial problems making it work. Why pay these L.A. franchises now when the actually Israeli, vet guys are way cheaper? The organization spiraled world wide. But looking at many of those who are left? Many are very health-industry connected, with other out-reach methods of income.

Over-priced L.A. Krav was crashing for many years, before our current economy. I am told they have had to re-adjust their business plans, customizing it even for individual schools. But, now when the dust settled, these and many survivors of the newer 2008 economy crash, are gyms within gyms. In fact, wasn't/isn't the very headquarters building of L.A. Krav...a gym? A gym within a gym? Didn't Billy Banks help inspire the fitness module that inspired them? Isn't that module what turned the heads of all the Tae Kwon Do people to begin with? The gym within a gym model works.

Don't run out to a garage sale and buy a tattered weight bench and rusty weight plates and stick it in the corner room of the school boiler room and call yourself "a gym."   That is not going to work. If you can create an environment were non-martial arts people want to go regularly and exercise, then you have a stand-only gym. 

Of course there are still a million things that can go wrong and topple any business. Like bad locations for one. But a martial-gym-within-a-fitness-gym is a good idea and extra insurance to survival.

Incidentally, in 2009 I have a few new seminars booked in these bigger gyms. It is a success trend. This doesn't mean its foolproof. Some struggling gyms demand all class attendees be members of the gym too! That just doesn't work in the long run. Some just want rental fees for your room (you'll never clean a bathroom!) and let your students in no strings attached-like my old gig at Golds.  But, there are always a few chinks. Gym owners must understand the nature of these problems. Usually the owners in our sucess profile are young and involved in the MA courses.

I know of several martial arts schools that have had to combine in 2008. Some were once even business competitors, and now are struggling together to pay the rent.

All dedicated fighters need to be in shape. Many of us don't like to formally mix the fitness with the fighting and consider it two seperate, work-out sessions. I do. If I have two hours to fight train, I want to fight and not do push-ups. I do push-ups tomorrow night. I am just a traveling circus act anyway and can't institute fitness into seminar workouts. You should see the great variety of ages and conditions of people I see week after week! But on the local, grass roots, multi-days a week level of a local school, perhaos you can.

The gym within a gym....is an equation for success... and growing. Survival of the fittest has a new meaning.

Hock
« Last Edit: December 31, 2008, 08:42:53 AM by Hock »
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Re: A GYM within a GYM?
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2008, 09:55:26 AM »

In NY, martial arts and Full scale fitness Centers/gyms have been merged for decades and it is not always productive.

It can produce  a client base for the Martial Arts Instructor that passes by rather than seeks out or is drawn by ads,saving money and time for the Martial arts Instructor.
But
The Martial Art  cannot be just any traditional art.
This is where there is a difference between what works for Billy Banks and Krav Maga or similar systems.

Krav Maga is a Fitness/Self Defense training routine with Self Defense as part of the aerobic and conditioning class.
One can sign on at any point and participate as a class.
(similar to Tae Bo in that if one is interested one can just get on the floor and do it)

If one has a traditional art and tries to find a way to get more on board this fitness merge the task is harder.

Those traditional arts are less fitness and more Rank and Technique specific grades which means a potential member cannot just come and participate when they want, and when they do come to participate they must be with in their group level,train,learn and advance as a smaller group,not as a whole Group/class.

The more traditional the class the more one is restricted to finding those interested in the martial Art s specifics.

Tae Bo,Krav Maga,Kick Boxing and other similar open based,conditioning oriented /self defense systems work,where as traditional arts do not do as well in the Gym/Martial Arts Merge.
(though the open based training may be used as a funnel process for finding those who wish to go from open classes to more defined traditional training or both)

My opinion.
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Re: A GYM within a GYM?
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2008, 11:34:18 AM »

But a lot of gyms and rec centers gave been running karate and Tae Kwon Do classes TOO for years. All separate programs. Successfully for years.

The new key to survival is the "cafeteria" style selction.
If your school or gym is free from 7 to 8 pm? Get a Tai Chi person in there to rent the space.

Hock

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Re: A GYM within a GYM?
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2009, 07:46:57 PM »

A friend of mine has been renting out unused floor time to other MAs for years and it's worked out just fine. He even has the areas number two or three MMA school working out of his karate school so he get's walkins from that. He was recently approached by another school that's been in the area to merge schools. He's thinking about it, but I've talked with several of his students who I'm also friends with and they said they'd bail since the style of karate and the focus are so different.

Recently another friend and karate instructor lost his long term space at a local gym. He found a new place but some of the students are still stuck at the old gym because of the contracts they signed.
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Re: A GYM within a GYM?
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2009, 12:02:29 AM »

We have a sweet deal at a local gym.  We use their space in off hours, like when group exercise is done with their room.  They take 30% of whatever student fees we collect, we take the rest.  That simple.  No other overhead for us, a little cash for them with unused space.
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Re: A GYM within a GYM?
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2009, 06:21:01 AM »

...and I'll bet you never clean a bathroom....

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Re: A GYM within a GYM?
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2009, 07:29:23 AM »

NOPE!!! ;D

1.  Roll in
2.  Say hi to desk staff
3.  Train
4.  Say bye to desk staff
5.  Roll out
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Re: A GYM within a GYM?
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2009, 08:43:44 AM »

WHAT Now! let me get this straight!

  No utility bills?
  No water bills?
  No mopping?
  No vacuuming?
  No changing of...light bulbs?
  No buying of paper towels and toilet paper?
  No dusting?
  No ceiling leaks?
  No window washing?
  No carpet problems?
  No purchase of a refrigerator?
  No purchase of a water fountain? 
  No arguments with landlords or neighbors?
  No purchase of an extra, office computer?
  No coke machine problems?   
  No door-to-door traveling salesmen?
  No parking lot rules of who can park where and share?
  No vagrants wandering in?
  No burglaries or property insurance?
  No city inspectors looking at your mandatory, handicapped toilet?
  Showers, lockers and hot tubs available?
  Desk staff supplied?
  Steady stream of human traffic exposed to your operation?
  The gym pays for constant advertising?

  You mean to tell me that you just run classes, go work out and...and then...leave?
  (Sounds like my pleasant ten years at Golds Gym)

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