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Author Topic: isosceles stance coming back?  (Read 1485 times)

grlaun

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isosceles stance coming back?
« on: May 13, 2009, 06:28:58 PM »

It was interesting to speak with some of the new recruits at the police academy and to hear what training doctrines are being used.  One such recruit is a 7 year veteran from Milwaukee.  Great guy and locked on.  He was saying that his department was returning to the isosceles stance because it was learned that many servicemen were getting killed from rounds hitting inside the arm and armpit.  The idea is apparently to utilize the basic protection of the vest to preserve the officer's life.  The modifications to the isosceles are hips back and legs slightly shifted.  This was corroborated by a corpsman who just recently returned from the sandbox...  anyone else doing this?  We're being taught the weaver & modified weaver stance as the basic position at the Academy...
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Re: isosceles stance coming back?
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2009, 07:29:33 PM »

Have you shown them your Fred Astaire stance yet?
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Re: isosceles stance coming back?
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2009, 07:56:37 PM »

its the same here, square to the target, use a stable plateform. I call my stance the isos-weaver
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Re: isosceles stance coming back?
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2009, 08:36:49 PM »

Yup its the ol' stand "still and die" syndrome.
Lets see how both work with sims. Both will really suck when being shot at.

On paper, for years now, the triangle has come a little come-back because .01% of vested people that were shot, were shot in arm pit - the opening in the vest. This makes the desk-bound, paper writers concoct all kinds of wonderkid strategies.
(I really don't know the percentage, but its small.)

But you are quite likely to shoot from either stance in combat, relexively. And change as needed. Whether you, or the range instructor like it or not. I've done it and it has happened to many, many others. Thats why in Gun level 1 we shoot from ALL the common stances

Extended arm triangle
Contracted arm triangle
Bladed (Weaver) arms extended
Bladed (Weaver) arms contracted
All of the above from knee high
All one-handed positions
Running
Walking
Crawling
Grounded

Combat is often defined as "shooting from awkward positions" and I place a premimum on being flexable and shooting from all of them, more than creating a robot that shoots from one and thinks all others are wrong.

BUT on the range? Qualifying? You don't fight, you score.
And you have to score to get out of the academy!!!!!

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Re: isosceles stance coming back?
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2009, 06:55:55 PM »

Have you shown them your Fred Astaire stance yet?

Its too advanced for them right now.  I have them doing the Rawhide Macarena to condition them...
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