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[Hock]

Why God made good coaches.

There's alway going to be such problems. If we adhere to the principle

                                      "Reducing the abstract"

as much and as often as possible. It helps.

Hock

[Trainer]

yup

[Hock]

Dissecting #8

8. Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. Lateral and diagonal movements are preferred. TRUTH – Several studies prove your survival chances increase with distance – so use it.

Studies? What studies. Studies done without sims, marker bullets or paintball. And is this based on the stand-off quick draw premise? What? The myth of the gunfight duel?

Greater distance helps when the fight starts at a greater distance, but distance is simply not always your friend. There is a certain close range when charging in, interupting the quick draw, then drawing your gun and shooting yields a  higher percentage of survival.

Not close enough for a charge? Too many times, paper-target, range shooting experts run backwards while drawing. The other shooter simply and effortlessly fires in his straight line! You are close or afar? You're still in his straight line.  Moving to the "sides" might help...a little bit. Remember the great sniper line.

                "Go ahead and run. You'll only die tired."


Gun god dinosaurs need to get in the sims ammo game and see what really happens when moving, thinking people are shooting back. 

Hock

[Hock]

...and let me addd one more thing about distance.

Studies are incomplete collections - conclusions may be wrong.
Some studies may not collect shootings/wounded - conclusions may be wrong
Some studies may not collect shooting and MISSES - conclusons may be wrong
Most studies do not collect info of guns out-but NO bullets fired - and may be wrong.
Most studies do not co0llect info or gun carrying-no draw. Why no draw?

If you study ONLY shootings/murders, and even the shootings/wounded,  and derive tactics, you are missing huge blocks of tactical information. In fact, guns are drawn way more times than they are shot. Why were there no shootings in this matters? What did the gun-puller do, to shut down the potential shooting? How does that relate to distance?

Hock

[JKDish]

Now ait Hock, you agreed, I see with "Only hits count" and cited a good quote from Earp; but you've told me personally that it's not altogether true. That shooting and missing has a profoundly disturbing psych-effect on the intended target. And throws 'em off a bunch too. I have been sbot at ONCE-AND ONLY ONCE-and can attest to the truth in what you've told me regarding only hits count.


"Awful hard to shoot at someone, 'specially when someone's shootin back at you"

Gene Hackman as Lil' Bill in Unforgiven.

[Brian S]

Dissecting Number 5

5. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice or three times. More is better. Ammunition is cheap. Life is expensive. TRUTH – Pistols are really pretty feeble in the overall scheme of firearms. More than one shot is cheap insurance. More than 5 or 6 shots might require explanation.

The general rule is to keep shooting unil the enemy has fallen. A while back there some vet (British? I can't remember) advocating "double tap, stop and access." Fact is you should be naturally accessing through the whole gunfight. Shoot till its over. There is no magic, arbitrary number.

Hock
www.CombatCentric.com
 

From what I understand even the double tap is out for British police officers.  They are told to stop and assess after every shot, though most privately admit that they stop and assess within the blink of an eye..... so that an untrained onlooker might just mistake it for a double tap..... 

[shastana]

two in the chest, one in the head...tactical reload...tap tap tap.

[Hock]

Dissecting Number 9. In ten years, nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They'll only remember who lived.

That might have been true in the 1950s. In todays world, the gear, gun and caliber is important, not just in the marketplace of sales, the improvements of gear and performance, but in training sessions in tactical symposiums, argued about in the Pentagon and tossed around in simple squad room and gun store gossip. Its vital to know how the fool, the thug or the pro did or did not do what, with what. Who, what, when, where, how and why?
I know well how my small revolver will perform as well as my 1911. It goes with the territory. To belittle tactical history and details of caliber, stance or tactics in past gunfights is a sheer fool's folly.

Hock

[Hock]

Dissecting Number 10....

10. If you aren't shooting, you should be reloading, communicating and running.
TRUTH – Training Guru Clint Smith of Thunder Ranch puts it this way, “If you’re not shootin’ you should be loadin’. If you’re not loadin’ you should be movin’. If you’re not movin’, somone’s gonna cut your head off and put it on a stick.” Nobody ever accused Clint of being bashful!

I don't know. Seems to me all gun fights are very situational. depends on whats going on?

Hock

[Ed Stowers]

I remember when I was going through my academy training out in Grayson County, TX and I was just out of the military, the instructor had us doing buiilding search scenarios.  In one of them, they had positioned a perp in a dark building and as we played the what-if Q&A game, the instructor asked what would be the best way to respond if the suspect just began firing at you from the dark.

I think my answer was, "One of us will take cover and lay down suppression fire while the other maneuvers to attack from the flank."

The instructor looked at me with a very sober expression.  "We don't do suppression fire," he said seriously.  "We don't do artillery, bombs, or rockets, either."

I thought that over a second and realized that we were screwed.  "Then there is no 'good' tactical way to do this," I replied.  "It's gonna suck."

Then the instructor grinned and slapped me on the back.  "Welcome to police work," he said.

[Hock]

THAT is funny and sad. But a great story. ANd you know his line was rehearsed huh? Too cool a response to make up.

But at least he knew what suppressive fire was.
Most of the police people I worked with really had no idea.
Post-Nam people did and Iraqi War people did. Very few in between.

Hock