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Author Topic: Right-to-Carry = Lower Crime...more evidence  (Read 3490 times)

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Right-to-Carry = Lower Crime...more evidence
« on: January 26, 2009, 09:54:30 AM »


Statistics from the FBI’s Uniformed Crime Report of 2007 show that states with right-to-carry laws have a 30% lower homicide rate, 46% lower robbery, and 12% lower aggravated assault rate and a 22% lower overall violent crime rate than do states without such laws.

Some other evidence:

Florida’s total violent crime rate has dropped 32% and its homicide rate has dropped 58% since adopting a concealed carry law.

Texas’ violent crime rate has dropped 20% and homicide rate has dropped 31%, since enactment of its 1996 carry law.

Carry permit holders have been found to be more law-abiding than the rest of the public. For example, Florida, which has issued more carry permits than any state has issued 1.36 million permits (1996 data), but revoked only 165 (0.01%) due to gun crimes by permit-holders.

A report by John Lott, Jr. and David Mustard of the University of Chicago released in 1996 found "that allowing citizens to carry concealed weapons deters violent crimes and it appears to produce no increase in accidental deaths." Further, the Lott-Mustard study noted, "If those states which did not have right-to-carry concealed gun provisions had adopted them in 1992, approximately 1,570 murders; 4,177 rapes; and over 60,000 aggravate assaults would have been avoided yearly."


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Re: Right-to-Carry = Lower Crime...more evidence
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2009, 10:29:43 AM »

Professor-pass that on to Jolly Old England-they need it-no matter what the politicial wonder boys say over there- Whitewolf (ELB)
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Re: Right-to-Carry = Lower Crime...more evidence
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2009, 10:36:21 AM »

What Prof has posted is evidence about the USA.  Not necessarily conclusive proof of course, but there you go.

If this is relevant to England (and I don't think it is), is it also relevant to Iraq?  How about Somalia?  Darfur? 

After all, if the populace carrying guns inhibits crime so much, surely these should be the safest places on earth?

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Re: Right-to-Carry = Lower Crime...more evidence
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2009, 11:40:13 AM »

Or maybe we should jst send your dumbass over there and you can start the Kum Bye Ah chorus :P
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Re: Right-to-Carry = Lower Crime...more evidence
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2009, 02:09:08 PM »

What Prof has posted is evidence about the USA.  Not necessarily conclusive proof of course, but there you go.

If this is relevant to England (and I don't think it is), is it also relevant to Iraq?  How about Somalia?  Darfur? 

After all, if the populace carrying guns inhibits crime so much, surely these should be the safest places on earth?

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I remember your words from another thread:  Your country has enough problems, let me worry about mine.

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Re: Right-to-Carry = Lower Crime...more evidence
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2009, 02:41:59 PM »

Brian S of J>O>E>=that was kind of stupid what u just wote. Think about what you are saying. WW (ELB)
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« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2009, 04:14:51 PM »

Prof.  I was, until the whitewolf intervened.  As you can clearly see, above.

WW - Really?  You're a little short on reason there.  Please put it in, if you have any.
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Re: Right-to-Carry = Lower Crime...more evidence
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2009, 12:44:07 AM »

Alright there B.S. just take er easy now.  You don't get to have guns, and we do.  Simple as that.  America will never be like Britain no matter how much makeup the Queen wears. 

We are bred to believe in something greater, and we deal with our own issues just fine.  Stats on guns, well who gives a fu&*k when our Constitution says you can have em.  That what it says and what it always is gonna stay, period.  In American you are 100 times more likely to die in a car accident, 50 times more likely to die from a heart attack, 20 times more likely to die from choking, drowning, falling, electrocution, etc than from a firearm.

You get the idea, its real low on the mortality factor, but real high on crime prevention factor.  Like wearing your seatbelt, you hope you dont get into an accident, but that belt will increase your survival by untold numbers, so you "wear it".

Enough preaching, Im going back to oiling my muzzles.
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Re: Right-to-Carry = Lower Crime...more evidence
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2009, 05:23:19 AM »

Gun Control: Myths and Realities

by David Lampo

David Lampo is the publications director at the Cato Institute.

This article appeared on cato.org on May 13, 2000.

The number of well-publicized public shootings during the past few years, especially the tragedy at Columbine High School, has re-energized the gun control movement. As a show of strength, a coalition of gun control groups has organized a "Million Mom March" to be held in Washington, D.C. on Mother's Day, an event designed to stir up emotions rather than promote rational thought. And when one looks at the facts about gun control, it's easy to see why the anti-gun lobby relies on emotion rather than logic to make its case.

Think you know the facts about gun control? If your only source of information is the mainstream media, what you think you know may not be correct. Take the quiz below and test your knowledge.

1. Thousands of children die annually in gun accidents.

False. Gun accidents involving children are actually at record lows, although you wouldn't know it from listening to the mainstream media. In 1997, the last year for which data are available, only 142 children under 15 years of age died in gun accidents, and the total number of gun-related deaths for this age group was 642. More children die each year in accidents involving bikes, space heaters or drownings. The often repeated claim that 12 children per day die from gun violence includes "children" up to 20 years of age, the great majority of whom are young adult males who die in gang-related violence.

2. Gun shows are responsible for a large number of firearms falling into the hands of criminals.

False. Contrary to President Clinton's claims, there is no "gun show loophole." All commercial arms dealers at gun shows must run background checks, and the only people exempt from them are the small number of non-commercial sellers. According to the U.S. Department of Justice, at most 2 percent of guns used by criminals are purchased at gun shows, and most of those were purchased legally by people who passed background checks.

3. The tragedy at Columbine High School a year ago illustrates the deficiencies of current gun control laws.

False. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold violated close to 20 firearms laws in amassing their cache of weapons (not to mention the law against murder), so it seems rather dubious to argue that additional laws might have prevented this tragedy. The two shotguns and rifle used by Harris and Klebold were purchased by a girlfriend who would have passed a background check, and the TEC-9 handgun used by them was already illegal.

4. States that allow registered citizens to carry concealed weapons have lower crime rates than those that don't.

True. The 31 states that have "shall issue" laws allowing private citizens to carry concealed weapons have, on average, a 24 percent lower violent crime rate, a 19 percent lower murder rate and a 39 percent lower robbery rate than states that forbid concealed weapons. In fact, the nine states with the lowest violent crime rates are all right-to-carry states. Remarkably, guns are used for self-defense more than 2 million times a year, three to five times the estimated number of violent crimes committed with guns.

5. Waiting periods lower crime rates.

False. Numerous studies have been conducted on the effects of waiting periods, both before and after the federal Brady bill was passed in 1993. Those studies consistently show that there is no correlation between waiting periods and murder or robbery rates. Florida State University professor Gary Kleck analyzed data from every U.S. city with a population over 100,000 and found that waiting periods had no statistically significant effect. Even University of Maryland anti-gun researcher David McDowell found that "waiting periods have no influence on either gun homicides or gun suicides."

6. Lower murder rates in foreign countries prove that gun control works.

False. This is one of the favorite arguments of gun control proponents, and yet the facts show that there is simply no correlation between gun control laws and murder or suicide rates across a wide spectrum of nations and cultures. In Israel and Switzerland, for example, a license to possess guns is available on demand to every law-abiding adult, and guns are easily obtainable in both nations. Both countries also allow widespread carrying of concealed firearms, and yet, admits Dr. Arthur Kellerman, one of the foremost medical advocates of gun control, Switzerland and Israel "have rates of homicide that are low despite rates of home firearm ownership that are at least as high as those in the United States." A comparison of crime rates within Europe reveals no correlation between access to guns and crime.

The basic premise of the gun control movement, that easy access to guns causes higher crime, is contradicted by the facts, by history and by reason. Let's hope more people are catching on.
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Re: Right-to-Carry = Lower Crime...more evidence
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2009, 06:54:46 AM »

Alright there B.S. just take er easy now.  You don't get to have guns, and we do.  Simple as that.  America will never be like Britain no matter how much makeup the Queen wears. 

Doh!  That's what I'm saying..... Doh!  We're not trying to get you to live our way..... you're trying to get is to live your way?  Doh!

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Re: Right-to-Carry = Lower Crime...more evidence
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2009, 07:05:44 AM »

Why would I want to live your way?! Vinyl gives me a rash! :P
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Re: Right-to-Carry = Lower Crime...more evidence
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2009, 08:44:40 AM »

and just how do you know that?  :o

yer Uncle Knuckles
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Re: Right-to-Carry = Lower Crime...more evidence
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2009, 11:40:23 AM »

yer killin me Arnold!! HA!

Hey, Brian S. you agree with us on this and I appreciate that thought.  Guns good for U.S.  Never said they were good for Britain, just thought the injustice of jailing a farmer for defending himself is a bit wrong. 

But I gotta tell you, the US does not want England to "be like us too", we just want others throughout the world to leave us the F*&k alone, let us live our free and liberated lives, and sometimes that gets a little tough when you have half of the world talking shit to our faces and threatening us economically, politically, militarily.  So, we take a stance that appears aggressive and forceful, well that is what happens when you corner a wounded tiger.  Its just survival, no excuses, just that simple.
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« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2009, 02:14:05 PM »

Doesn't it strike you as a little ironic that Americans attack British laws... but only becasue Americans want to be left alone?  Doesn't make sense.

By the way, we've never had a case of a farmer jailed for defending himself - ever.  Tony Marin lay in wait with an illegally held firearm and then shot a 16 year old in the back as he was running away.

Now I know there is a case arguing for and against what he did.  But no sane person could describe that as self defence.

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Re: Right-to-Carry = Lower Crime...more evidence
« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2009, 04:44:21 PM »

Nobody is attacking anything, Gun good for U.S. The question whether gun good for England was in another thread. The comments here are about Right-to-carry.  Tony Marin is still in prison for using a gun to protect himself against two burglars who entered his home at 2AM.  He killed one and wounded the other who went to prison for burglary.  That isn't self defense?  You ever have two burglars enter your home at 2AM? 

Now in America, we have the right to self defense using a firearm, Britain gave that up with hopes of protection from the gvt.  Now their violent crime rate is up 30%, same with Australia.  Oz and Brit are on the top of the list, for violent crimes and US is not even on the top ten list. All the anti-gun war cry is just hype, the stats just say it all. 

I wonder about folks that are so anti-gun...they usually have never been attacked, robbed, raped, or had a homicide in their family.  Easy to think that way until YOU are victimized.  And yes, my family and I have been victimized, and since are armed to the teeth.  Yes, on several occasions a firearm has prevented future attacks, can't tell me guns don't work, that they don't save lives. HUH.

It is such a great thing to be able to sleep well at night knowing I can defend myself with a firearm.  In America, if you don't like guns, you don't have to own one.  God Bless the USA!
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« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2009, 05:17:58 PM »

You really need to do more research on Tony Martin.......

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Re: Right-to-Carry = Lower Crime...more evidence
« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2009, 09:42:59 PM »

Now this is the reason us Americans are like our women,
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/877795/sexy_girls_shooting_guns/
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« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2009, 04:56:28 AM »

How do I know, Nicky? Well, one time, many moons ago, I got caught in a rainstorm on one of my cool bikes, and put on one of those cheap vinyl rainsuits. My neck looked like someone used it for whip practice.
And guns are good for everybody, just like beer!
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Re: Right-to-Carry = Lower Crime...more evidence
« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2009, 12:30:49 PM »

Now it's vinyl and whips.     :o
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« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2009, 06:49:45 PM »

Ahhhh, now ol Spiff is gonna lock himself in the closet after seeing both vinyl and whips in the same sentence :o
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