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Author Topic: attackproof.com #118  (Read 4219 times)

whitewolf

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attackproof.com #118
« on: April 26, 2009, 10:20:15 AM »

Good article on slaps and how they are more effective than using a fist this month in the article. Makes sense about how to hit a cement wall with  your fist or  with a
palm strike-which hurts more.... ww (ELB)
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Re: attackproof.com #118
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2009, 07:16:55 PM »

I thought the following part of the post on slapping was interesting:
"First because only highly trained boxers know how to throw punches without
breaking their hands and wrists and even THEY wrap their hands and wrists
tightly to prevent injury. "

I think saying that trained boxers know how to throw a Punch without breaking their hand is misleading.(hands are not wrapped for the street )

Trained boxers have broken their hand punching some one  when not in the ring.

One such injury was when:
Mike Tyson Broke his hand on Mitch Green's head in a quick little tussle on the street in NYC.

The reference by the person asking the question in regards to what he sees as "Slapping" in Guided Chaos is a bit misleading in that the person asking the question lumps all open hand strikes as "Slapping",when in fact,(and it is corrected by MK ,the person replying to the question) open hand strikes can be  slaps but are more likely to be cupped hand slaps,edge of hand strikes and palm heel strikes.
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Re: attackproof.com #118
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2009, 10:05:52 PM »

JimH-agree-i have been working on a bag using slaps with torking body as i hit-seems to be powerful- although i  never had hit anyone yet with it-also seems fast-i also have been working with-as i slap with left  and pull head in i then follow up with a palm to face with other- I think that was discussed some time in the past here on forum (possibly a Mike Coup strike-?)--WW (ELB)
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Re: attackproof.com #118
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2009, 02:53:43 AM »

More to the point trained boxers have broken their hands inside the ring/cage many times despite the hand wraps and gloves.  UFC Stephen Bonner explained one of his losses recently attributing this to breaking his hand.

For more insight on pros breaking their hands:

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f8/question-about-broken-hands-706924/
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Re: attackproof.com #118
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2009, 11:01:31 AM »

Joe- interesting -seems as if lots of fighters hurt them selves when they strike a boney
part of the head-also although I  have not broken anything I have gotten bad wrenches on th wrist by not punching the correct way- WW (ELB)
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Re: attackproof.com #118
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2009, 03:14:51 PM »

I had seen a video once of Bas Rutten and it was just him knocking people down and or out with open hand strikes.
(Bas has some highlight videos which show his use of open hand strikes)

Open hand strikes if delivered properly to the right target area with power can result in some devastating out comes.
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Re: attackproof.com #118
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2009, 08:41:35 PM »

Another advocate of open hand (and other) strikes, who's stuff I highly respect, is Kelly McCann/Jim Grover.  Bad dude, loves the hammerfist, cupped hand blows, palms, etc. 

For the average person defending himself, might be safer than using the fist in many situations???

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Re: attackproof.com #118
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2009, 09:49:25 PM »

What appears interesting is the fact that when you are "Armed" with a hand in slap position instead of making a fist you ae ahead of the opponent as he does not reolize that you will strike out at him.

Have any  of you actually used it in a confortation? What was the outcome?
WW (ELB)
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Re: attackproof.com #118
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2009, 01:53:52 AM »

All of the time.  You can learn the in-depth strategies and tactics here:

http://www.hockscqc.com/shop/product328.html

You just need the aid of a crow bar to get your wallet open.  It's really quite easy.  ;D

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Re: attackproof.com #118
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2009, 05:46:28 AM »

Sounds good to  me- Ill see if i can pry the wallet open this pay day-WW (ELB)
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Re: attackproof.com #118
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2009, 07:58:06 AM »

Good on you WW!  ;)
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Re: attackproof.com #118
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2009, 02:43:56 PM »

Joe,Nick and Hock have some great materials out there.

Kelly McCann has a version of Combatives similar to Carl Cestari,but that would be due to Kelly learning from Bob Kasper .(Bob was a former training partner of Carl Cestari)

The open hand again can be edge of hand,palm heel,cupped slap.
I Have used the above ,and gotten worth while responses,but never as a singular one shot knock out or knock down attempt.

I like to use a Blauer type Spear,as I learned it in 1970 as part of a traditional outward block to the incoming limb while simultaneously wrapping that incoming arm,stepping in delivering a chop/edge of hand to the side of the neck usually followed up with a palm heel to the face pushing the head up back and down.
(this simple technique works 99% of the time as people,even when armed tend to like to use a hay maker type approach to an initial attack)
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Re: attackproof.com #118
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2009, 11:33:58 PM »

The technique JimH discribes is realy part of many styles-from KungFu to KravMaga=also
similarly the movement inside or outside is part of "street Boxing"-that is one tactic i review all the time-as with my age I better "Win" quickly- ::)
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