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Author Topic: The "Perfect" Chin Jab  (Read 5798 times)

Hock

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The "Perfect" Chin Jab
« on: May 06, 2009, 08:57:00 AM »

I saw a police training deal a while back and this instructor advised that:

"...to stop and imbalance ALL knife attackers, the officer should chin jab/palm strike the attacker." He went on and on baout the chin jab...

I laughed because this instructor had forgotten:

   - the sizes and strength of all male and female police officers
   - the sizes and strength of all male and female knife attackers
   - the shapes of human faces, heads and chin, (even "no-chin") shapes
   - the propensity for many attackers to lower their heads in fights, ducking the chin
   - the isometric power in many people's neck
   - the cavalier, casual way in which chin jabs are often taught (just a bent hand, as
     this officer shallowly showed) This can cause hyper-extension injuires
   - the certain positioning between the two people, the certain height,
      and the "center-line" if you will - to complete the common chin jab.

I always suggest eye attacks against knife wielders instead. 
I suggest a claw-like, isometric-ish, hand position, strike as a chin jab, with its potential eye tap (as taught to me in the US Army many moons ago)

But when you think about all of this?
Never mind the knife attack scenario.
Should the ever-popular, chin jab be so...ever-popular?
A universal given? A universal solution as it is taught by many self-defense people?
I will ALWAYS teach it, but inside a bigger package.
But is it over-rated by many?

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Re: The "Perfect" Chin Jab
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2009, 09:54:38 AM »

It seems to me (admittedly a newbie) that the mechanics of applying the chin jab require a bit more jiggering than a straight punch/palm heel. I'd even rate a hooking shot above it[the chin jab].  I'd say its essentially an uppercut type shot and place it in that continuum.

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Re: The "Perfect" Chin Jab
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2009, 10:10:16 AM »

Many people rate a hook punch to the lower jaw a top favored strike.

Hock

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Re: The "Perfect" Chin Jab
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2009, 10:26:49 AM »

chin jab, you are right on the money Hock. Height and positioning is critical to whether anything works.  I think the upward claw/palm to the chin, with fingers penetrating eyes gets a lot more done with UC vs knife, as you have taught us.

Sounds like the chin jab trainer is repeating what he learned in training, not what he knows from experience.  But, there will always be the right time for a straight blast to the chin, but I think it more common to be delivered as an uppercut or hook to take him down then and there.
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Re: The "Perfect" Chin Jab
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2009, 10:28:44 AM »

To me its one close quarter stirke out of many. Use it at the right time and place. I  teach it with a arm trap or wrap making sure to bend the knees with every chin jab strike usually 2 or 3.

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Re: The "Perfect" Chin Jab
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2009, 12:18:56 AM »

Just a tool. One of my favorite tools...but just one of many in the tool shed.

Nothing is the be all end all ninja killer. Them ninja are tricky little fookers.
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Re: The "Perfect" Chin Jab
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2009, 07:37:32 AM »

I made a seminar two years ago, where they focused on the palm strike to the chin for an hour. Seems to me alot guys look for the head shot and discount attacks for the rest of the body..


I didnt see an intro section, but thought I should introduce myself. I'm a Kajukenbo guy out here in West Texas. A Kaju buddy of mine Sigung Goldade reffered me to Hock's forum and material.

Thanks, and keep up the good work.
Steve Bramel
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Re: The "Perfect" Chin Jab
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2009, 10:44:17 AM »

Wecome  heart of texas-glad to  have you on board-Whitewolf (ELB)
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Re: The "Perfect" Chin Jab
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2009, 09:23:05 AM »

Thanks WhiteWolf
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Re: The "Perfect" Chin Jab
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2009, 12:16:35 PM »

I have always wanted to move to Texas, but frick its hard to get a green card when you're a white male, with a trade thats in demand, speaks english and dosn't have a criminal record and whos in law enforcement
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Re: The "Perfect" Chin Jab
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2009, 10:36:23 PM »

Hey I was lucky-I attended the Army language school for Spanish in Montarey Calif.
So I can go to Texas-heheh-(El Lobo Blanco)
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