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Author Topic: Shuey  (Read 984 times)

ExJKD

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Shuey
« on: October 04, 2004, 10:09:10 PM »

What, if anything do any of you know about Mark Shuey and his
method of cane-fighting? I HAVE a Combat Cane, and it seems
a pretty useful weapon and plan on buying another, but I have
not seen his material before.I think it is something like...Hapkido?


ANyway I have read articles by him and he seems like one of the
few guys who COULD teach effective stuff too old people who
are out-of-shape and/or handicaped to defend themselves (a lot
of guys who say they can..can't).

Ollie
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Re: Shuey
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2004, 10:40:48 PM »

Ive seen some of his videos and hes a good teacher...
As a matter of fact it was Hock's magazine where i
first heard of him..
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Re: Shuey
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2004, 03:15:25 AM »

What, if anything do any of you know about Mark Shuey and his
method of cane-fighting? I HAVE a Combat Cane, and it seems
a pretty useful weapon and plan on buying another, but I have
not seen his material before.I think it is something like...Hapkido?


ANyway I have read articles by him and he seems like one of the
few guys who COULD teach effective stuff too old people who
are out-of-shape and/or handicaped to defend themselves (a lot
of guys who say they can..can't).

Ollie

The material is pretty limited.  Over a couple of hours and a case of beer you can figure it all out.

Other than that....I'll keep quiet.   :-X
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Re: Shuey
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2004, 11:50:27 AM »

My favorite "Cane Tapes" are Hock's four SDMS tapes - a crook top cane is simply a DMS stick with a hook on the end.

But I also really like a series of tapes called "Cane Warfare" I think. It was a set of three, featuring three different instructors, one on each tape. The first tape featured Ray Ellingsen, the second, Kelly Worden, and the third tape had the Hochheim Group's own Jerry Van Cook.

I have a Combat Cane (Livesay-Van Cook model made by Newt Livesay) and have used it for walking around on occaision. When training with the cane, I found that when I needed to hook someone with the crook, I sort of flowed into it and it was "right there" - a cane is just a stick about three feet long, nothing too special.

Another thing, which I learned during my tenure as a "Cane Warrior" was that if you really need a cane to get around, i.e. you are not ambulatory without one, then it is pretty much useless as a weapon. Without the balance, strength, and speed to go with it, you aren't going to be using it to defend yourself, and if you try, you will probably fall (or be bowled over) after the first desperate strike.

Should someone train cane techniques? Yes. But if someone is truly elderly/infirm then I recommend a firearm. During the time that I really needed a cane, the only thing I knew I could do reliably (had the laws permitted concealed carry where I was) would of been to use a firearm. The cane was pretty much just good for helping me keep upright...

Dan
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Re: Shuey
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2004, 10:20:57 AM »

One thing to think about.
A criminal is "a criminal of opportunity."
If two men approach him, one with a cane and one not? The criminal is likely to attack the man with the cane thinking he is handicapped in some way. Easy target.

Now if he looks like Dan Severen and is holding a cane like a swagger stick? Then attack is unlikely. But if you use it to walk, maybe.

However, Mark Shuey, my wife and I were in Germany doing seminars a few years back, and we got stuck in a weird train and travel schedule. It was about 2 am! Franfurt-not always a safe place. We three were walking from the train station on the 3/4 mile trek back to the hotel. Part of the trip was crossing through a dark office complex courtyard. As we crossed the avenue from the station and headed toward the courtyard of the complex, a car with no less than 5 guys jumped the curb and turned sideways right behind us.

I knew in an instant, instinctively that there was no good reason for these guys to do this. At first the three of us spread out backing into the dark courtyard, which was also an instinctive escape path but I yelled out "No. If there is a fight, we'll fight here in the light," and Shuey and I advanced on the car. The guys on our side cracked opened their car doors but we were so close and shifting around like defensive ends in football, I guess they just instinctively knew they couldn't get out.   

The driver said something, they shut the doors and rolled away. We waited and watched them leave, not wanting to enter the dark courtyard complex to soon. They could have easily driven right through this courtyard after jumping the curb. And they could have circled the block and met us on the other side! But, we never saw them again.

But I remember crowding the car doors and seeing Shuey with his cane up at port-arms position, ready to go. And I remembering feeling, "Damn, I wish I had a cane, too!"


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