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[Hock]

After ALL these years of proclaiming the Taser was ultimately safe? Now this?

"A new taser recommendation asks officers to aim lower before pulling the trigger. The company that makes the tasers, Taser International, sent out a training bulletin to law enforcement agencies around the country that recommended officers avoid tasing suspects in the chest area, citing the potential for cardiac arrests, lawsuits and effectiveness of the device. It looks good on paper, but on the streets, it's not really practical," said Travis County Precinct 3 Constable Richard McCain..."

See film clip and read story
http://www.myfoxaustin.com/dpp/news/local/102009_Taser_Maker_Issues_Safety_Guidelines

[Canuk]

Several Police services up here have already changed the deployment policy. The Feds are also trying to bring the taser into a "lethal force" option. Thank you braidwood

[vitality]

so where do you aim? maybe at he eye or the toe.

 

[Hock]

The film clip show will where to aim, but you have to watch it about 3/4s through.

This is a surrendering of the Taser legal position for years now. Interesting!

Hock

[Hepcat]

The RCMP and the Braidwood inquiry up here in British Columbia are causing alot of waves in the Use of force world.  Final report should be out in the new year.  I was not there so only know what I have read but the Leadership of the RCMP appear to have a few too many Political types and not enough true leaders.

[Joe Hubbard]

so where do you aim? maybe at he eye or the toe.

 

Almost, aim for eyes, throat, groin and top of the feet. 

--taken from Arnold's Taser Tactics & Tricks Manual...On Sale Now!!!

Joe

[arnold]

Joe,
Thanks for getting the info out to the mass. In all actuality, the most important part of my taser manual is my newest addition. My taser addition is a belt mounted 50,000 microfarad capacitor, which is about the size of a New York City phone book. With this new attachment, you can literally shoot through concrete walls to get at the perp. Of course with the amount of energy/joules that the devise emits, the perp in most instances vaporizes! This saves a great deal of paperwork for the average patrol officer, plus saves the municipality the cost of having to dispose of the remains.
There are Canadian versions which will become available late in 2010. It will consist of a taser like devise attached to the ass of a Chihuahua. This "jolt" to said canine will result in incessant barking and growling at the perp.
The spiffy version is already available in limited quantities. When the trigger is actuated, as you're not allowed to "pull" a trigger in Jolly Old, a voice recording is actuated. The recording most requested sounds like this...
HI! ( Carried out in an extremely gay voice) Please stop as I'm way out of shape and cannot chase you. I am also not armed. But I do have a cool chime bell on my new Spiff approved Girlie Bike, which I will  give chase on, embarrassing you in front of all of your friends.
As a side note, I received a copy of Hock's new book in the mail today. As always, I looked smashing, Rawhide looked dashing, and the rest of you, well........
Thank me!

[Joe Hubbard]

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

 

[grlaun]

Wow!  What can you say to that?

I know the new Taser statement has departments scrambling to make changes to their policies.  Ft. Worth has done so already and FMPD has made two policy changes as well.  It will certainly change the landscape of the use of this weapon...

[jmech]

Me thinks the media exaggerated a bit on this one.  I'm a Taser Instructor and got the memo. In a nutshell- they have RECOMMENDED changing the PREFERRED point of aim to the sternum and lower, citing more effective shot placement, reduced chances of a probe striking the face and throat, and as a means to help AVOID the controversy of whether the shock cause Ventricular Fibrilation or not since the charge would not be in the area.  As far as the safety, one of the e-mails cited a PLAINTIFF's expert as estimating the probability of VF from a Taser exposure at 0.00061%, or 1 in 163,934.

I myself have a history of irregular heartbeat which I take medications for.  I have received 5 taser drive stuns to the arm, chest, and neck areas, and 4 full body shots to both the chest and back areas, and have never had an issue.  I believe whole heartedly that the taser is as safe as any other "tool" in the Law Enforcement toolbox, but not naive enough to think it is the sole answer for every use of force situation.

I think this is the "growing pains" of the taser, similar to what OC (pepper) spray went through in the 80's.  When OC was first introduced, there were numerous news reports of suspects dying after being sprayed, lawsuits over excessive force, debates about whether or not it was safe, and today, its as common on a duty belt as handcuffs.

IMHO, taser is not and should not be classified as a deadly force weapon, but should be placed somewhere along the lines of OC spray and the baton.

Joe

[Hock]

It is still an interesting surrender of turf from a group who gave absolutely no quarter before. I have been in seminars where Taser lawyers have lectured. They aggressively defeat any and all challenges and lawsuits against them, proclaiming the impossibility of any electric damage.

I wonder what the secret story is behind that surprise admonition?

Hock

[arnold]

My newest addition to the book! One of those Rat Bastards must have purchased a copy!

[michael]

Taser is insulating themselves from lawsuits by saying, "we told them not to aim at the chest", and in the process throwing any officer into the creek whose probes hit someone in the chest. I would have to think long and hard about carrying a Taser after this. It very well might seriously cut into their business, and I would not be surprised to see quite a few departments drop Tasers completely.

[whitewolf]

tase um in the ass and be done with it-------ww (elb) "speed of light"

[arnold]

Wolfie is Right!
As most of the perps have their head in their ass anyway, why not shoot them in the ass, and as a bonus you may hit them in the head, solving both problems with one shot.
Listen to the old Wolf, he has the experience and the knowledge. And as a Plus, he has never been known or been accused of being "Spiffy"
Thank me!