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[Bryan]

http://www.specialforcescombatives.org/index.htm

http://www.closecombatinstructors.com/james-webb.htm


  I recently got some bad news about James Webb and I would like to see it all get cleared up. For me this dates back many years, I even met one of the teams in Hawaii that was going to Vietnam to help recover bodies and I know he was involved in that.

  A few years ago his name started getting thrown around the Internet all over the place involving Special Forces and Combatives. The main person was Tank Todd out of NZ and then Blaise Loong in California. Then all kinds of websites and people not involved in American Combatives seemed to show up with documents from James Webb and his name was mentioned on many websites with all kinds of titles and things that seemed questionable.

  The information is he was never Special Forces and never a Ranger, he was assigned to a unit but there are many questions about that. In the latest episode or should I say webisode he has been accused of ripping off POW families and that is a 0 tolerance issue with me or anyone I call friend.



  Click The Link For Full Article
http://powwarrior.wordpress.com/2007/12/09/powmia-insider-another-attempt-to-fleece-the-issue/

 I really have to wonder, is the Webb family just out to get us?  Althought it has been made clear that the infamous Johnie Webb at JPAC and James M. Webb, a retired investigative team leader who worked on the ground in SEA in both Detachment 1 and 2 from 1989 to 2003, are not related, they both obviously have the same goal – to make a living off of us for as long as they can.

 Johnie has a record that those who know the Issue do not need to hear again, and still today he continues to quietly mislead family members and make excuses for investigative shortcomings.  Yet now, we have a new nemesis in James M. Webb.  It would appear that now he has retired from active military service and did a stint in the Middle East, this adrenaline junkie wants to cash in on the POW/MIA Issue, that means cash in on us.   He along with a few others have marketed the following website, http://www.powmiainsider.com/ as “the untold story”.   They have an e-book available, The POW/MIA History 101, which, interestingly enough you can download but not print for easier reading, an instant red flag.  The information in the e-book is nothing new to any of us and unless you are looking for a refresher course, it is old news.  They are also selling, for the low, low price of $29.95 plus shipping and handling, a 3 DVD interview with James M. Webb himself which advertises as “The Untold Story”.   The DVD also eludes to a book that will soon be published, “Last Known Alive”, as well as the JTF-FA Team Commander’s Handbook.


  Click The Link For Full Article
http://powwarrior.wordpress.com/2008/06/26/another-con-man-fleecing-the-powmia-issue/

In a previous post I shared my personal views on former JPAC field investigator James M. Webb and his recent attempt to fleece the POW/MIA Issue with claims of “inside information”.  After viewing his first of many money making products, I suspected that Webb was trying to make a quick buck by marketing his insider idea to families and activists.

Little did I know that his plans were on an even grander scale.  I have been made aware of some of the activities of James M. Webb and let me make this clear, he is in the same category as Mike Hearns and Richard/Hadel who was recently exposed by POW/MIA Families.  Webb seems to be escalating his level of fraud on family members.  First, we have the DVD “The Untold Story” which really tells us nothing that we don’t already know.  It was so poorly made and the lack of preparation is more than evident as the DVD goes on.

Now, it appears, that Webb has moved on to more covert operations and is targeting individual families or groups of families with claims of assistance, knowledge of live men and contacts in SEA that can “help” bring out a live man.

[Bryan]

  Ad from Budo Video

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  Copy of Email sent to James Joyce that was never responded too in 2003.

http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19672&page=2

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cxxxxxxxxx LTC
> > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 11:10 AM
> > To: 'jjoyce@specialforcescombatives.com'
> > Ccxxxxxxxx CW3; Pxxxxxxxxx MSG
> > Subject:I'm interested in SF Combatives
> >
> > Mr Joyce
> >
> > I am sending you this e-mail in my private capacity as a member of the Special Forces Association (D-5922, Chapter 7). A lot of interest (to say the least) has been generated here at SWC by the SF Combatives website. It appears that some of Mr Webb's bio is suspicious---several issues come to mind:
> >
> > 1. No record of his attendance at SFQC during the 81-83 time frame.
> > 2. The only James M. Webb that graduated the Ranger course was a ROTC Cadet from Brigham Young Univ. Class 1-77 (James Matthew Webb).
Possibly your associate used a different middle initial.
> > 3. The obvious questions as to why a MI Warrant would attend HALO, SCUBA, SERE or INTAC.
> > 4. No record of him having served with any SMU (service in these units might explain HALO, SCUBA, SERE, INTAC).
> > 5. His status as an "inductee" to the World Martial Arts Hall of Fame. His is not listed on the existing Web Site (nor among the 2001 inductees).
> > This may be merely an administrative error (not sure who got
inducted in 2002). I have an e-mail out to the Hall of Fame to confirm his status. .(His confirmation was later DENIED)
> >
> > To avoid people questioning your SF credentials it might help if you provided your Ranger Class number and SFQC attendance dates (believe the web site said you were an 18E). I'll confirm your attendance an dispell any allegations to the contrary here at Bragg.

If we cannot substantiate any of Mr Webb's qualifications I plan on contacting Jimmy Dean (National President of the SF Association) and providing our concerns to him.

> > This is cut/paste from the SF Wall of Shame Wannabe's Web Site:
> >
> > JAMES WEBB: Graduated from high school in 1971, but claims to have been with SOG. That would mean that he would have had to complete BCT, AIT, BAC, and SFTG in a little over a year in order to make it to SEA in order to be assigned to SOG. Highly improbable, not to mention, NO record of any SF assignments were located.
> >
> > Xxxxxx CXXXXXXX
> > LTC, SF
> > Deputy Director Xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > (910) 4xx-xxxxxxxx
> > email: xCxxxxxxx@soc.mil
> >

_________________________________________________________________
> Txxxxxxxx
>
> 1. This guy is unbelievable. Bottom line. he never attended SFQC, MFF or any other course that I can verify here at SWC. I called the Ranger department on 21 January 03. I am willing to bet that he did not go I cut/pasted this from my 21 Jan e-mail "I contacted the Ranger Department (SFC Sitzler) this morning. Only one James M. Webb has graduated from the
> Ranger Course(a Cadet from Brigham Young--Class 1-77). Other James Webbs may have gone, but only one James M. If we can get his SSN or a firm class date I can check again."
>
> 2. I checked with the MI school and several CI agents I know. None of them know him (I bet he was an all-source Intell Warrant).
>
> 3. His web site claimed that he was a member of the world martial arts hall of fame. That is B.S. We checked the web site. He claimed to have invented the Korean Special Forces Martial Art--what the hell would the Koreans need a gringo to teach them to be Karate-men. He claimed to have been.
>
> 4. No one from 1 SFG can remember him (pretty remarkable for the head Martial Artist in Group). He claimed to have served in Thailand with SF. I checked with several 43rd Co Alumni. No one ever heard of him. One guy (Steve Shoup) brought in his yearbook from the year that Webb claimed to have been in Thailand. He is so secret that we could not find him.
>
> 5. He claims Bronze Stars and tells Vietnam stories don't seem
possible. It may have happened, but I am willing to bet it did not.
>
> 6. He shut his web site down after Phil Provencher, Jeff Dahlby and I began to question his credentials. Tell him to provide dates/class numbers and I will track it down. If he is real I will inform Jimmy Dean at the SF Association, but I bet he does not provide anything concrete. He may be a gifted Karate-man, but I am willing to bet he was never in SF other than working in the Grp/Bn "2" shop.
>
> 7. I have a whole folder (58 e-mails) titled "Wall of Shame" with his stuff in it.

[Hock]

Webb has been around since the 1980s. Perhaps so long (like Spour) that people don't even think to question his background?

I am interested in seeing what proof might come up through POWNetwork? The Beret community is a relatively small one....

Hock

[Bryan]

Webb has been around since the 1980s. Perhaps so long (like Spour) that people don't even think to question his background?

I am interested in seeing what proof might come up through POWNetwork? The Beret community is a relatively small one....

Hock

Here's a update, He is now listed on POW Network for ripping off the families of POWs. As far as I know every SF guy that has been contacted has stated they never heard of him. There are no records of him ever being Special Forces other than being attached for a short time in 80s. That's where the trophy picture came from that has been used to promote and sell Webb as Special Forces.

http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/list_of_names.htm

[Canuk]

Webb has been around since the 1980s. Perhaps so long (like Spour) that people don't even think to question his background?

I am interested in seeing what proof might come up through POWNetwork? The Beret community is a relatively small one....

Hock

Here's a update, He is now listed on POW Network for ripping off the families of POWs. As far as I know every SF guy that has been contacted has stated they never heard of him. There are no records of him ever being Special Forces other than being attached for a short time in 80s. That's where the trophy picture came from that has been used to promote and sell Webb as Special Forces.

http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/list_of_names.htm

Isnt this the guy that gave Todd his special forces combat instrucotr status? could be bad busniess if this is the case

[Hock]

They (and old Paladin Press) worked with a Larry or Lawrence Jordon. His story, directly from tank Todd's webpage, is below. I assume tank is writing this? Ala Wagneresque "third person?"....
 

"Lawrence Jordan or Larry to his close friends is a twenty-four year veteran of the U.S. Army most of which was spent with U.S. Army Rangers and U.S. Army Special Forces.
He was trained in the hand-to-hand combat systems in his early military service days of former elite forces respected instructors such as the late Michael Echanis. Larry has always known how to fight but now he was being taught how to kill quickly and quietly. He has an impressive service record in Special Operations and as a close combat chief instructor to U.S. and allied special operations forces.

While assigned to the 5th Special Forces Group at Fort Bragg as chief close combat instructor Larry was ordered to develop a deadly program of close combat for Special Forces soldiers and Rangers.

He developed the Deadly Dozen, a twelve technique series of skills that were easy to learn and remember and very effective. They were down right deadly in kill or get killed hand to hand combat keeping with the principles of disarming disabling and disposing of any threat.

It was 1990 that Tank Todd arrived at Fort Bragg for hand to hand combat instructor familiarization prior to taking his Special Forces Combatives instructor qualification course in South East Asia. Accompanied by his guide, a Captain from the 82nd Airborne and having all the necessary paperwork in order, it was off out to a wooded secluded area of Fort Bragg to be introduced to the Chief Hand to Hand Combat Instructor Master Sergeant Lawrence Jordan.

1990 Fort Bragg. Lawrence Jordan and Tank meet during familiarisation visit. After the initial introductions training began and in minutes Tank realized how privileged he was to be an ally allowed to attend such training being conducted by such a highly skilled instructor. This was true irregular forces close combat training instructed by a most highly skilled and committed master chief instructor.

After the training was completed that day a meeting between Master Sergeant Lawrence Jordan and Tank took place in Master Sergeant Jordan's office. This was the beginning of the allied elite association that has not slowed to this day. These two close combat experts spent the rest of the day discussing close combat and making future training plans.

It was before Tank left Fort Bragg that Larry entrusted Tank with an official copy of the Deadly Dozen. He had given it to no one else outside the US Army Elite.

Tank went on to complete and pass his instructor qualification course in South East Asia under James Webb chief combative instructor to the 1st group.

He later went to Fort Bliss when Larry was attending the Sergeants Majors Academy for advanced training under Larry Jordan and was and is the only non-American he qualified as a combatives master instructor.

Larry has visited New Zealand several times since then instructing on the Todd Group courses of close combat and close protection. Larry and Tank have instructed close combat in Australia, the U.S. and South East Asia and Larry has been a respected guest instructor on one of Tank's military elite forces courses. Larry has become well known down under and has trained hundreds of Tank's exponents on annual and special courses.

Retiring from the Army Larry quickly realized the dangers of civilian life for the average responsible citizen were real and that violent crime was rampant not to mention the terrorist threat. This was Larry's motivation to develop the DIRTY DOZEN a variation of the DEADLY DOZEN. He civilianised the program by making small changes to make it more relevant to the role it was going to be used for.

The effectiveness had to remain; it could not clearly be cripple, maim and kill from the outset as with its close cousin the military version. The DIRTY DOZEN was born and later publicly released in a book published by Paladin Press.


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i actually know these guys. But I have ZERO imput as to their authentic background. if anyone does that would be good public information. (by the way, Tank Todd is completely what he says he is, a civilian trained by these guys)

Hock

[Hock]

Further self-written bio on Jim Webb from his main orgainzation, the International CQB this or that thingy...

<<<<>>>>

US Elite Forces Master Chief. Over twenty years service with the U.S. Army. His qualifications include Special Forces, Rangers, Airborne, Air-Assault, SERE Instructor (Survival, Evasion, Resistance, Escape), close combat instructor to Thailand and Korean Airborne, Korean Rangers, intelligence agent and interrogator. Chief Webb trained the Liberian Presidential bodyguard unit and worked security for the 1988 Seoul Olympics.

He is a Vietnam veteran and was awarded the Bronze Star for Valor. Chief Webb is currently working the Missing In Action / Prisoner Of War program in Vietnam. He was an instructor and advisor to the Korean Special Forces, assisting them in developing the White Tiger fighting system used by the Korean Special Forces

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Is there a list of Bronze Star of valor names accessable?


Hock

[Bryan]

 The Bronze Star is a wild card. I have yet to find any official reference to it anywhere and nobody seems to know anything about it. There are also many questions about him ever being in Vietnam during wartime and exactly what he was doing there if he was there. That's the danger when one gets caught up in one case of fraud, people tend to go back and dig into other stories. In the case of Webb, no good information has turned up, every question just brings up more questions.

[grlaun]

Sounds like someone else we know...

[JimH]

James Webb has been proven to be a phony.
He never served in the Rangers or Special Forces.
He never served in Vietnam.

His martial arts training/Background is also fabricated.

He was a Military imtelligence Warrant Officer assigned to an SF Unit and was authorized at the time to wear a Green Beret,but he was not SF qualified.

He did work for POW Recovery team and did help bring many bodies home from Vietnam.

He has since ripped off the families of many POW's .

It is said he lives in Thailand and teaches his brand of Martial arts and runs/owns ? a bar there.
...
Larry Jordan is the REAL DEAL Ranger and Special Forces operator.

Larry was one of my instructors during SFQC Phase One at Camp Mackall .
...
These men are Chief Instructors under Geoff Tank Todd's organization.

[JimH]

As I said on that thread:
Blaise Loong had nothing to do with Special Forces
The James Webb Certificate with 1st SF on it,along with the article and pictures was not authorized,it was just a way to sell BS to the public.

The SF community had heard the stories of Webb's adventures and claims and they did not choose to investigate.
Webb worked for POW Recovery and began to tell his stories as truths to SF members who began to see through his BS.
Families began to complain about Webb's asking and taking money from them and the SF Community decided to look into him.
The fraud that is/was Mr Webb was exposed.

One of those who lead the Investigation was Special Forces CSM (Ret) Lupiack (sp?)
Lupiack was one of the SF Members on the Son Tay Raid and was an Instructor (ret) at the 1st Phase of SFQC telling the troops of the Mission,Training ,Deployment and Ending to the Raid.

Here is a Link to Webb's son in Thailand.
He was a former Muay Thai fighter in thailand on TV.
http://www.thaioasis.com/nightlife/brothertony.php

[Canuk]

Wasnt Webb the one that gave Todd his Special forces combat instructor qual? isnt this what Todd built his empire on?

[JimH]

I believe Todd has said that part of his Special forces Qualifications was :
Meeting Larry Jordan ,Special Forces,at Fort Bragg and Mastering Larry's "Dirty Dozen".

Then on to Special Forces Qualifications under James Webb.

As I said when this thread first began,James Webb taught a SELF Created system.
It was NEVER Part of any Special Forces H2H program,it was developed to sell to civilians and Todd was one of the First civilians trained in this made up system.

It is/was all BS and intended to attract civilians not in the know,people who believe it was part of the Special Forces Training programs,which it WAS NOT.

All about trading titles and developing paper trails that mostly lead to Fakes and Frauds or to Real people fooled into taking pictures and handing out paper ,those things are also intended to Mislead and Distort the Truth.

So Webb is a Fake
Never A Ranger,Never Special Forces,Never SERE,Never HALO,Never SCUBA,Never a Trainer to the Koreans,Never given any rankings in any martial art,(except by his friends).
So if he is a Fake and His art is made up,what does it make those who try to cash in on it ?

I think Tod claims much more than Jim Webb's training though.
The Instructor who had the school in which Todd now teaches was his first claim to WWII combat methods.
Then there are Charles Nelson,Rex Applegate,Larry Jordan on and on.
He spent a few days with Nelson,a few days with Jordan,a few days with Applegate ,so when did the training take place for learning from these men ?

[Canuk]

Todd had made the claim that he went to Tailand and met with Webb to undertake special forces hand to hand training, Then ended up as a h2h instructor granted authority by Webb. That was on Todds web page at one point

[JimH]

Yes Canuk,
Todd's claim to have gone to Thailand and Get certified under Webb is still on his site.

Problem is,as said,Webb was not in Special Forces and the H2H he qualified Todd and others in is his own made up BS.

The following are from Todd's site:
"Tank has passed his Special Forces combative instructor qualification course in Southeast Asia and is certified to instruct both the Applegate, Baldock and Nelson systems"

"The ICCIA is headed by Geoff Todd (Tank), a current Special Forces CQB Master Chief Instructor of New Zealand and Lawrence Jordan, a US Special Forces Close Combat Master Chief Instructor. Tank and Lawrence have to ensure the Association is kept elite and its standards are never compromised. "

"Always hungry for more knowledge Tank has been trained and certified up to Master Chief Instructor by some of the modern-day military Master Chiefs of Special Operations close combat as well. These modern-day Master Chiefs include Captain Ben Mangels, a former chief instructor to the South African military elite and police as well as the British elite, US Army Special Forces Master Chief instructors James Webb and Lawrence Jordan."

...
Webb was teaching his SF Combat qualification
Larry Jordan did not teach or qualify people under that,Larry qualified Todd under Larry's "Dirty Dozen"

If we look at the ICCIA piece we see that Webb has been removed and Larry and Todd now run that org.

Also on Todd's site we see a 2004 seminar in Thailand and Webb is mentioned a s former Chief Instructor ??

Also I believe ,but could be wrong,that Larry Jordan taught his brand of Martial arts to those interested at Fort Bragg and Else where,but I do not think he taught OFFICIALLY as an SF Instructor teaching an authorized SF H2H program.
(he was as I said a SF Phase 1 Instructor at Camp Mackall,but not teaching H2H)
I could be wrong though as Larry  was in many varied aspects of SF and did a lot of High Speed Training.
(this is why Todd was certified at Bragg under Larry's "Dirty Dozen" not under any official SF H2H course)