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Bryan

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A Veteran
« on: January 25, 2010, 02:43:10 AM »

 


A Veteran - Whether Active Duty, Retired, National Guard or Reserve - Is someone who, at one point in his or her life, wrote a blank check made payable to "The United States of America", for an amount "up to and including his or her life" - Anonymous

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Re: A Veteran
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2010, 06:53:14 AM »

Does that include those who barely stayed in service, were merely some kind of engineer and left after a stint in a psychiatric unit?

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arnold

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Re: A Veteran
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2010, 02:56:14 PM »

Nah, not at all ???
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Brian S

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Re: A Veteran
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2010, 03:02:41 AM »

We find common ground - at last!

Do you also agree that Bryan has posted in a wonderful spiffy yellow?
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arnold

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Re: A Veteran
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2010, 06:35:13 AM »

I wouldn't go quite as far as wonderful, maybe a satin finish, but not wonderful.
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Hock

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Re: A Veteran
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2010, 11:04:04 AM »

Which leads us back to this "warrior" thing...

http://hockscombatforum.com/index.php/topic,5158.0.html

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Re: A Veteran
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2010, 05:20:43 PM »

Does the word Veteran ONLY apply to those who served in the Military ?
NO
It can also mean
Someone who has spent a LONG TIME doing a Job.

Funny how for everything else the term requires a LONG TIME
While a Veteran can be someone who signed a piece of paper  and served a short time.

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"A Veteran - Whether Active Duty, Retired, National Guard or Reserve - Is someone who, at one point in his or her life, wrote a blank check made payable to "The United States of America", for an amount "up to and including his or her life" - Anonymous"

The quote above should have been more specific and said "A MILITARY VETERAN".

Also the quote left out that any one who served in the Military can be called a Veteran but the Veterans Administration only recogonizes Honorable Discharged members as Veterans.

The addition of the Warrior thread  to what a Veteran is raises questions as were raised on the Warrior thread:
Theoretical or REAL

Is a Veteran someone willing to sign on to the military and complete their agreement and go where told to do what they are told .
or
Is a Veteran anyone who signs the paper agreeing at the outset to go where told and do what they are told and then not fulfilling that agreement ?

I have a friend ,his son joined the military,the kid was told he was going to the Middle East ,(Jee what news ,lol) and then set about to claim an injury he had acknowledged and waved upon entry was now a bother and he wanted out.
They gave this kid an honorable discharge and he never finished Boot camp.
According to this kid loads are doing the same,with 30/40 percent of his platoon getting out during boot camp for injuries or mental problems)
I wonder where they thought they were going to deploy to when they joined up ?

So this kid is a Veteran
(he has an honorable discharge)
But
Is he seen as a VETERAN by those who are really Veterans ?
(those who completed their contracted service)
I do not think so.

So no matter the willingness to sign a contract /check made payable for an amount up to your life to the government,if you renege on that contract you have bounced the check for payment and are in default to the government.
But the Government today is forgiving and allows one to have title to that which they do not fully deserve.
They allow that due to the willingness of INTENT
Rather than the Willingness to Fulfill and COMPLETE their contract.

So in the Warrior Thread we have Theoretical Warriors and Real Warriors
Now as far as Veterans go we Have Theoretical Veterans and Real Veterans.

Again it all depends on the needs and mindset of those claiming the titles and their perception or their meaning of the use of these words.
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Richard Sackville

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Re: A Veteran
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2010, 11:49:23 AM »

Does that include those who barely stayed in service, were merely some kind of engineer and left after a stint in a psychiatric unit?



It should, I was in the psych ward for a month in Woolwich, and it was hard to sleep with all those sas nut jobs screaming all night with bad dreams.

Very unpleasent time and when it comes down to it, I found it rather hard to prove I was not nuts...but the art work class was nice.

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Brian S

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Re: A Veteran
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2010, 02:23:09 PM »

Not too may "SAS nut jobs" have barely any service and merely served as some kind of engineer.
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Re: A Veteran
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2010, 04:49:34 AM »

Surely a veteran needs to be a veteran of something. Calling someone a veteran when they have never served in a conflict devalues the word.

If someone told they were a veteran my next question would be, veteran of what?

Out of curiosity Bryan, where did you get that quote?
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Brian S

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Re: A Veteran
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2010, 06:27:47 AM »

Don't we usually use the term with reference to actual battles the person has been in?

A Vietnam Veteran?  A Falklands Veteran etc.?

No offence to those who, through no fault of their own, performed their military duties without ever being called to battle. 

But tey are not veterans.
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Bryan

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Re: A Veteran
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2010, 10:16:50 AM »

Surely a veteran needs to be a veteran of something. Calling someone a veteran when they have never served in a conflict devalues the word.

If someone told they were a veteran my next question would be, veteran of what?

Out of curiosity Bryan, where did you get that quote?


From "The National Ranger Association" They posted it on their Facebook page. It was interesting watching the usual morons having a go at the quote. JimH is the biggest blowhard of all, he has never done much of anything and his typing sucks too. The real deal Special Forces and Rangers have nothing but respect for anyone that served period, end of story. The definition of a Veteran is defined by the Army and Veterans Administration, not people mindlessly typing on the internet.

http://www.bestrangercompetition.com/

http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-National-Ranger-Association/125775849992

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Re: A Veteran
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2010, 12:28:19 PM »

I usually stay out of the various comnents as I am attempting to search the forum for CQC related subjects so i can learn a little more- but---

I see some feel that you have to be shot at or in combat to be a veteran-

Gentlemen- In my 22 years on active duty I met and served with many many servicemen and women who did their 2 -3-4 6 or 20plus and had not been shot at-
all of which helped their God, Country, or particular Corps-

To respond to floods,hurricanes, fires, guarded a flight line in the middle of winter,
walked shore patrol in the slums to protect a fellow comrade, worked countless hours as a DI or a recruiter-packed a parachute so the troops can land safely, helped a buddy out when in a bar fight, etc etc etc

I also saw guys who cried and cracked up when rockets came over-and discharged
they are considered vets also............

When we raise our hand and pledge to protect our country- we are Vets.......

simple as that- WW (ELB) "speed of light"
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Bryan

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Re: A Veteran
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2010, 01:25:54 PM »



  WW, I believe legally you must have 6 months service and a honorable discharge to qualify as a Vet to receive medical treatment through the Veterans Administration or get a loan. I just looked again and it varies from 90 days to 180 days to 24 months with all kinds of legal descriptions thrown in. You can take a look here,

http://www.homeloans.va.gov/elig2.htm

Massachusetts has their own definition similar to what I stated above.

http://www.mass.gov/mtrs/2members/20active/20vetsbill.htm

Richard Sackville

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Re: A Veteran
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2010, 01:49:40 PM »

Don't we usually use the term with reference to actual battles the person has been in?

A Vietnam Veteran?  A Falklands Veteran etc.?

No offence to those who, through no fault of their own, performed their military duties without ever being called to battle. 

But tey are not veterans.

Great news, I wonder if Northern Ireland counts? Lot's of people shooting at me there and trying to kick me to death. Ill start wearing my medal and calling myself a vet, not that anybody is interested down my local pub which is full of paras...

I wonder if free lance work counts in South Africa, probably not as we were mostly killing the ANC. How about confirmed kills, replete with pictures of people with holes in their foreheads?


I think I will go what the army says on this one.
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