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[mleone]

Bad idea unless you want people to copy that material even faster.
DVDs have encryption yes some people can get past them and some can not.
But at least you make it hard. If your going to do that. You might has well have digital download upon purchase. Which I dont know if you want to do that.

Flash drives are more costly and not as stable. DVD technology will still be around for a while longer it may just go to blue ray at some point. But for now too many people invested in dvd and the cross over is years away.

If you do this you might was well do digital download. Because it will spread like wildfire.
If thats your goal great but if you want to keep the cyber punks out, then its going to be a challenge.

The high definition DVD formats, however are really just the same source material packaged in two different wrappers- not to provide choice, mind you, but because the two camps simply are too greedy to combine forces, and not innovative enough to drive two truly separate products successfully. Take careful note - a format war is NOT competition, it is a hindrance and the bane of high definition DVDs. All theses DVD format wars are crap.

Consumers came over in droves when CDs were released back in 1982. The new format offered not only a new digital media, but also a way to instantly access tracks across an entire "album". Convenience, not technology, drove this format to almost instant consumer adoption. Fast forward a bit to 1997 when the first DVD player was released.

 Again, convenience, not technology, drove people to the market en masse. Unlike VHS tapes, the new DVD format was smaller, easily navigated and would not wear down over time like existing tape-based formats. Heck, the concept of a shiny plastic disc was new - and quite frankly, it was the coolest thing to hit the technological shelf since sliced bread.

In comparison, the high definition DVD formats, save the color of the business side of the disc, look exactly the same… and consumer confusion will surely follow.

What do the new high definition DVD formats offer consumers over DVD? Technology and more storage. Is this enough? Not on your life. Consumers, most of whom rarely know how to properly configure their players or home theater systems, are perfectly content with their current DVD players (and indeed some have just jumped on board to DVD in the last several years). While the potential for more extras and alternate endings exists due to increased storage on the new media, there is no compelling reason for consumers to migrate over to the new high definition DVD formats in large numbers.

DVD Studios are Conservative, Greedy and Unmotivated
Studios are so conservative in their practices as to consistently miss out on market advances - even those that can make them money (ie. Why is a computer company running the world's most successful online music store?)

The studios are not jumping on board the high definition DVD bandwagon just yet - and you can see the lack of titles to prove it. If the movie studios decided that HD DVD or Blu-ray (or both) was to be the next dominant format, it need only to flood the market with software titles and present a plan to roll back on DVD production over the next 10 years. Even though this would grant them the secure format that they seem to want (HD DVDs and Blu-ray discs promise to be much harder to rip or duplicate) there is no indication in the industry that this is taking place or even in the works. The studios are making money hand over fist with DVD they cannot seem to bring themselves to seriously initiate a new, unproven technology - even if it saves them from some other copyright headaches.

Add to this the fact that new titles are coming out at $30 a pop (and this down from an initial $35/title) and you have a really hard sell for consumers who are used to $15 titles at Wal-mart and the large electronics chains.

So its something to think about Hock..

[Hock]

Is it easier to copy a common DVD?
Or easier to copy an encripted flash drive?
For most people.

Hock

[mleone]

Dvds are hard to copy for most folk.
Flash drives any buba can copy and paste
dvds are encrypted
flash are not

[Hock]

I see what you mean. Like taking pictures off of a flash drive.

With DVDs, a common person needs two DVD drives to make a copy and with the change to laptops and smaller, many people do not have two dvd drives real handy. One to play, one to record.

DVDs will always be cheaper, unless flash drives get super cheap. They say they sell encrypted flash drives, but I know that SOME people will still be able to beat the code.

Hock

[Canuk]

These days you can get programs off the net that will allow you to download youtube videos or any video that is on the net, all for free!

[hessian1]

    Actually Hock you can make a copy with only a DVD recordable drive on your computer or laptop (never done this with a commercial DVD), but I have done it with a recorded DVD given to me so I could make my own copy.  I won't give the details because I don't want to help people to rip you off, but I am no techno whiz and it didn't take me to long to figure it out.

 Keep safe and train hard/smart,  Mark H

[mleone]

These days you can get programs off the net that will allow you to download youtube videos or any video that is on the net, all for free!

Not everyone is computer saavy these days.

 

Actually Hock you can make a copy with only a DVD recordable drive on your computer or laptop (never done this with a commercial DVD), but I have done it with a recorded DVD given to me so I could make my own copy.  I won't give the details because I don't want to help people to rip you off, but I am no techno whiz and it didn't take me to long to figure it out.

Some drives have better encryption but hock has a fighting chance.
Better control over distribution.

Here are some copy protections dvd recorders or software for you Hock.
Give to jane for research

How to copy protect a CD or DVD


 
Alkatraz
Copy protection for CD and DVD based on a "watermark" system, implemented during the glass mastering process.
CD-Cops
CD-Cops is a envelope protection which is added to the CD’s main executable. Can be applied to discs in-house at the time of mastering.

X-Protect
CD-Cops is a envelope protection which is added to the CD’s main executable. Can be applied to discs in-house at the time of mastering.

CDSHiELD
CDSHiELD protect your CD (before burning it)with putting volontary sectors-errors to prevent copying from third unauthorised persons. Low cost solution.

CrypKey
It prevents unauthorized use and duplication of your software in mere minutes, without having to write any code. Solutions for business of all sizes.

Don't Bother Burn™ (DBB)
The protection comprises several separate security modules which work together to create the complexity that crackers encounter in their attempts to break the protection.

HexaLock
HexaLock CD-RX media are specially made CD-R's that contain a pre-compiled session, which includes security elements that make the discs copy protectable. The program files [1] are linked to these security elements during the recording process, thus creating a copy-protected CD-R. The duplication process can be done in one-off mode, or in an automated mode in selected duplication systems.

LaserLock
LaserLock uses a combination of encryption software and a unique laser marking a "physical signature" on the CD surface made during the special LaserLock glass mastering procedure, in order to make copying virtually impossible.

ProtectCD
With VOB ProtectCD you can easily create your own copy-protected CDs. ProtectCD works together with the CD-WIZARD (Gold and Pro) and creates pre-masters. CDs created from this masters can't be copied with common CD-Recorders and CD-Rs. The second part of ProtectCD is the complete integration in your programs or InstallShield Scripts.

Roxxe
Roxxe CD protection is a brand new combination of hardware and software protection that makes it impossible to run software from illegally copied CDs. Protected software can be created under various development environments: C++ / Delphi / Macromedia Director / Multimedia Toolbook / …, while protection can be implemented at various levels, depending on customers' requirements and their options.

SafeDisc
Software publishers and developers need an effective and comprehensive anti-piracy solution to protect their intellectual property from copying, hacking and Internet distribution, while still ensuring a high quality experience for consumers. SafeDisc is the industry’s most successful and widely used anti-piracy solution for CD and DVD-ROMs.

SecuROM
A unique SecuROM™ electronic keycode is added to the CD/DVD-ROM with the use of special glass-mastering equipment which was developped by Sony DADC. This equipment is installed at all SecuROM™ enabled replication plants.

SmarteCD
Smarte Solutions ("Smarte") is the leading provider of next generation Piracy Management solutions that secure and control the use of software and digital information while enhancing the distribution and marketing-related capabilities of those products. More importantly, we enable customers to turn Piracy Management into a substantial competitive advantage.

SmarteCD
CD protection is a popular protection technique. Many software vendors use this technique to protect their software from illegal distribution, especially those companies who produce multimedia, educational, and gaming software. On the other side the popularity of CD protection encourages crackers to produce anti-protection techniques.

StarForce
Starforce Technologies is well known to the games and software world for its outstanding and hacker-proof copy protection systems for applications distributed on CD, DVD and CD-R.

Tages
TAGES enables you to choose how the protection affects unauthorized copies, from slightly modifying to completely blocking the functioning of the software. It is completely transparent to the end-user and does not require any specific set-up or on line transaction before launching the protected software.

Tages
TAGES enables you to choose how the protection affects unauthorized copies, from slightly modifying to completely blocking the functioning of the software. It is completely transparent to the end-user and does not require any specific set-up or on line transaction before launching the protected software.

[EpicThought]

A few of my random thoughts.

In a perfect world I would want a hard copy (format doesn't matter) and access to download it anytime. The digital copy allows me to atch the material anywhere, even if I forget my copy and it is a freebackup for when I eventually break the hard copy.

Copy protection:
I refuse to download anything from Itunes because they try(unsuccessfully) to keep people from tranfering files that they own from multiple devices that they also own. Copy protection will never work!!! Anyone who wants to can and always will be able to copy anything. I know a little more about computers than the average person but that certainly isn't required.

If you have a product that is illegally spread around the internet are you really losing money, especially when compared to what it would cost to try unsuccessfully to protect it?

If I found all of Hocks material illegally online tomorrow, I wouldn't download any of it and would do anything I could to get it removed (I believe this has happened). There are tons of stuff that I am still saving to buy, so why would I do this? Its because of character and respect. It seems to me that most of the people on this forum are the same. If someone where to download the material were they ever really likely to buy it? It seems doubtful to me.

At least until they come out with some super copy protection that is cheap I find it hard to believe that it is worth it from a bussiness prospective.

[Benjamin Liu]

Copy protection is a good point.  For me that is a big negative.  Not that I won't buy a copy protected training DVD, but it will certainly have points against it when choosing a new DVD to buy.

This has nothing to do with pirating, just legitimate use of videos I bought.

Since I got a 400+G portable drive that is a little larger than an old audio tape I've been putting my training videos on it.  That way I can carry a large portion of my library with me when I travel.  I used to record training videos to VHS tapes on SLP so I'd have 6 hours of video to train/study on long trips, but this portable drive is far superior. 

I'm also in the process of transferring my VHS library to DVD, and some are copyright protected so I can't transfer them, and need to use a VCR to view them.  I'm not about to buy new copies of those tapes on DVD, and probably won't buy new DVDs from those people.

I have 6 DVDs from a traditional martial arts instructor that are copy protected so I can't transfer them to my computer.  While that won't stop me from buying more DVDs from him, it does put them much lower on my priority list than they were before.

Most people I know who train want their own original copies sitting on their shelves.