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« on: March 14, 2010, 07:58:08 PM »

Tonight I saw Pacific-Semper Fi -Brother Marines and Corpmen  From  WW-SgtMaj R.D. Luntz 1839533
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Re: Pacific-USMC
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2010, 05:45:04 AM »

Sat and watched it with an elderly friend of mine who was a first Lt. in the army during the pacific campaign. Said it was pretty close to what remembers more than 65 years ago. First Lt. Robert Boid received a Bronze Star for actions in the Philipines in late 1944 Bob emlisted in Jan 1942 and was discharged in the spring of 46. He was recalled for the Korean War and served from beginning till its end. There are so few of these true heroes left. We owe them everything
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Re: Pacific-USMC
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2010, 06:25:46 AM »

You are right brother Arnold-WW
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« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2010, 07:28:00 PM »

Bob said it was pretty close to what he remembers. He sadi they landed about 3 days after the Marines and the biggest problem they had was the strafing by enemy planes and the snipers.
I asked him about the weapons, specifically the Thompson with the drum mags. He said he never saw anybody with a round mag as it would have gotten hung up going thru the jungle. He said he didn't see any BAR"S, which he said was a squad weapons of choice later as he said it could lay down a world of hurt and didn't weigh anywhere near as much as the water cooled 30 cal.
He said there seemed to be a mix of springfields and m1 garands, but he didn't remember getting a lot of garands till a month after they landed. He remembers being issued an m1 carbine, which he dropped in favor of a garand as it had greater knockdown power. He said he also appreciated the knockdown of the 45 acp at close range. Inside of 10 yards he said it would clean a jap off of his feet.
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Re: Pacific-USMC
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2010, 06:14:50 PM »

A few years ago they had a parade in New Orleans-they ha servd a couple of marine MOH
winners in the parade- from WW2-watching them always chokes me up-same for any winner from any service
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Re: Pacific-USMC
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2010, 05:30:04 PM »

Its on tonight again- WW
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Re: Pacific-USMC
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2010, 12:31:55 AM »

Yeah, I'm looking forward to being able to watch this when I get home.  I'll probably have to get the DVD at some point, since I don't have cable.  While I'm waiting, I'll probably go out and get Band of Brothers to tide me over.

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« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2010, 04:42:12 AM »

Just finished seeing 2nd part-saw band of brothers before-both excellent-
Did you see where they stole the captains cigars and shoes  ;D

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Re: Pacific-USMC
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2010, 01:58:08 PM »

For those who haven't seen it yet, this is the Tom Hanks/Steve Spielberg production based on three books, "With the Old Breen on Peleliu and Okinawa," by Eugene B. Sledge, "Helmet For My Pillow," by Robert Leckie, and "Hero of the Pacific" by James Brady about MoH winner John Basilone.  I have bread Sledge's book and it is a very detailed description of the hell he went through in the Pacific; I found that his descriptions tell it like it was, without apology, even though he wrote it years after the war.  I have seen the other two books on sale in B&N.  The first two episodes of the show deal with Guadalacanal, the next three with the Peleliu invasion, and the last ones with Iwo Jima and Okinawa.  If anyone doubts why we dropped the A-bomb, this series should make it clear.  Estimated casualties for invading Japan were on the order of one million US troops after the hell of Iwo and Okinawa--and that also mean practically exterminating the whole Japanese race.  Okinawa made that clear, which was the main reason Truman used the bomb--we wanted an end to it ASAP.  Sure, it killed a lot of people--though less than the conventional firebombing of Tokyo by B-29s already had--but it ended the war in only days and saved many, many more lives that would have been lost if Japan had not surrendered.

As usual, Hanks & Spielberg seem to do it right.  As With BoB, they open each episode with interviews of the real veterans--the heroes who were actually there--who comment on the war almost 70 years later.  The series doesn't seem judgmental on the war as far as America versus Japan or anything like that, other than it points out how horrible war can be and how senseless it sometimes seems to the poor guys who have to fight it.  The amazing thing is that PTSD wasn't a well-known thing then (I think they called it "shell shock" or "going Asiantic") yet most of these men still managed to return from that horror and build lives again.  The actors were put through bootcamp by Capt Dye (USMC Ret.) as with Saving Private Ryan and they really researched the details of the battles well.  They fact that they included the surviving vets covered by the series and actually had them on set and interviewed them, I think, means they probably got it about as close as it could be done.  It looks and sounds pretty realistic, thoughs till probably not as filthy as the real thing (some things, like smells, jsut can't be captured on a TV screen).

I look forward to seeing the other episodes.  The Pacific War had a whole different flavor to it than Europe did.  It was somehow more nasty, more vicious, and involved far more personal hatred, probably because of the terrain and the cultural differences involved.  I have found the series very moving so far.  I always get that way with the WWII vets.  I think they will be proud of the series and Hanks' effort.
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Re: Pacific-USMC
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2010, 08:20:44 PM »

E-Z- good post-ww
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Re: Pacific-USMC
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2010, 11:32:07 AM »

I like each episode more than the last - that is a sign of a good show.

The only thing I did not like was Tom Hanks in interviews saying that the reason the Yanks took almost no prisoners was that we are racist, and that it is the same with our current wars. First, I understand that we took few prisoners because few Japanese were willing to surrender. Second, I have been to the Asian Museum in San Francisco where (surprisingly) they have a whole exhibit on how racist and bigoted the Japanese were about the Americans. Tom did not mention that for some reason.

The fact that Japanese people were told we would torture/rape/kill them if we surrendered probably prevented many from surrendering, even if they could deal with the social dishonor of surrender.
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Re: Pacific-USMC
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2010, 12:05:02 PM »

This was also evident in two other movies.

Pearl - the Affleck love story with WW II as a back drop where the Japanese commanders say in the beginning that they did not want to to this Pearl attack but they were forced to....somehow? Forced to? Why because we didn't lay down and roll over?

Eastwood's side kick movie to Flags of our Fathers. The Japaneses version when they took a wounded,  American prisoner and fed and sympathetically cared for him. AHHHH...that wold be a no. Any history reader would know that the Japanese were merciless to all in WWII form Chinese to the US. From the Bataan Death March to Rape of Nanking...they were torturing, elitist murders. (Other than that? The movie was a great, art, period piece)

This was politically correct mentions to soothe modern day ideals.

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Re: Pacific-USMC
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2010, 09:26:33 PM »

In tonights episode-we see a marine going through the japanese soldiers and kills a wounded with a baynet and also we see a marine who chokes to death a japanese
soldier they find still alive.

Now that was not politically correct in any sense of the word-

semper fucking fi---WW
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Re: Pacific-USMC
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2010, 08:12:05 PM »

I watched number 9 tonight-one more to go-  this one was again excellent-WW
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Re: Pacific-USMC
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2010, 09:14:00 AM »

If you're having any sympathy about the jap's read Lord Russell's : The Knights of Bushido , A short history of Japanese war crimes. That should open a few eye's. Lord Russell was quite a fella he won the Military Cross three times, he fought in WW1 and 2.

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